Kojima and the State of Play

Speaker 1 0:00

Yeah, yeah, it's. You know it was a, it was a state of play. For sure, it was definitely a state of play.

Speaker 3 0:07

So, um negative cells yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true. Do you like Kojima or no? Is that why the reaction is like that?

Speaker 1 0:20

Um, yeah, I like Kojima, I like it. I like Kojima, um, but I don't like Kojima in recent years. So here's the thing about Kojima right, he's a very creative person, right? They definitely like always been. You know, working outside of the box, solid snake, for instance. You know, hiding in a cardboard box, like stupid stuff, like that. Um, if you ever played metal gear rising, the game's like ridiculous and in like super. Actually, that's my favorite metal gear game Um, but it's just like ridiculous and over the top, like the characters do really dumb things and say stupid stuff, but it's like the charm of it, um, but for me, uh, death Stranding did not have any charm to it.

Speaker 4 1:09

So uh, yeah, walking simulator.

Speaker 3 1:14

I can't wait to start playing it, though I know it's probably boring to a lot of people, but I I still didn't play it, but I've been meaning to for a while now.

Speaker 1 1:24

Well, I'll tell you this, I streamed it and uh, it did very well in the beginning, because I streamed it when it first came out and, uh, I noticed a drop off from it specifically and people were giving feedback Like this is super boring to watch, Like there's there's nothing happening, like nothing.

Speaker 3 1:42

Yeah, I feel like it's not. I don't think it. It can be a good streaming game if you have activities, yeah, but yeah, if you're just doing shit like streaming regularly, I don't think it's going to work too well.

Speaker 1 1:54

Yeah, I'm still going to try Death Stranding too, but my, my, like, my thing with Death Stranding was, um, the way that it was branded before it released. Do you guys remember the weird trailer with the baby?

Speaker 3 2:08

Oh, maybe the baby is just a trailer. Yeah, so, it looks fucking fun though.

Speaker 1 2:13

The baby's back, the baby's back. So, like I'm I, I don't, I don't know man, I don't know it's, it's uh, it's wild stuff. So I mean, obviously the state of play is a big deal. What I was kind of shocked about was that they announced one for the next month, for February. So yeah, which is not like that's not a thing they do.

Speaker 3 2:35

Like the next month, which that's kind of unheard of Big year. Yeah, it's a big year for games. I'm sure they got like BT or maybe indie stuff scheduled for that. Maybe you know, maybe more.

Speaker 1 2:47

Maybe, but they, I mean they have their indie showcase, so like they have a thing already. Um, I mean Nintendo does too, and Nintendo does um direct minis and they do um indie directs, so like I don't know, maybe it could be a thing like that where PlayStation, you know, they didn't want to bill. I don't know. Here's my problem is that like they spent so much time on Death Stranding too, and then Kojima like having like a um a monologue after, I'm like what is what is going on here? Did everybody? Everybody watched it Right Also?

Speaker 3 3:23

just the highlights. Yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing, but, um, yeah, I saw all the trailers. Good job, guys. Good job.

Speaker 1 3:29

You missed a lot. I'm telling you, he's a parabola.

Speaker 4 3:32

I think it was a lot of when I went work. What?

Speaker 1 3:34

do you mean to do? Uh, watch it after. I'll just kidding. Um, I mean you, other than the highlights, like you didn't miss much. It was a lot of like the extra stuff with Kojima talking right after the long trailer that they gave Death Stranding to. It's weird to me that, like he gets so much highlight in the industry with people like Jeff Keely that's like his, his best friend is BFF and he always gets sort of the highlight of the game awards every year and um, yeah, because he's doing things outside of box and then that's actually going to generate clicks, that's going to generate views, that's going to generate comments.

Speaker 3 4:13

You know cause, in a sense, he's also very controversial for the gaming space because he, he just does things differently. Right, and that's, and that's. You know they always say, especially in media, like no, no coverage or no attention is bad attention, right or no, um, nothing, even if it's negative, is bad for you in a long run. Right, because you're still getting exposed to all these new audiences and and people and to them numbers are everything. Right, they don't care if it's negative or positive. So I'm sure that there's, you know it's, it's all calculated why he, he's so involved in events.

Speaker 1 4:47

Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know about all that Like he's not he's not like, um, like one of the top guys in the industry or anything, but yeah, he does. He does work outside of the box. He is, uh, he's like a strange guy which is cool and interesting to people. Like he posts really really weird things on Twitter and, um, I, I sometimes look forward to seeing what he tweets out. I mean, he, you know, I love or hate the guy. I don't dislike him by any means.

Speaker 3 5:18

I, um, I like that he tries to go in a creative direction, but it just but also he's doing something that not a lot of like studios are doing now, which is, uh, and you see it when he tweets and he talks about like especially, he's working on a new like action, espionage game, right, which everybody's hyped about because it could be like the new Metal Gear franchise, right, but he even says it in that video. He goes, like I want to create a new like intersection between video games and movies, and actually those are my favorite types of video games which allow me to play a character but feel like I'm the main character in a movie which I don't know. A lot of people don't care for it too much because there's not a lot of customization, right. You have the Norman Norman, yeah, yeah, yeah, but um, I'm really just so that everybody knows I'm terrible with names, especially celebrities. So, um, but that's what he's doing. He's creating this new direction for video games. I think that's that's really cool Personally, yeah.

Speaker 1 6:22

Yeah, I mean I'm still interested to check out Death Stranding too, but uh, they did show more of the walking part, so I'm not convinced that. You know that's not a major part of the game again.

Speaker 3 6:32

There's a lot of vehicles, though.

Speaker 1 6:33

There's a lot of vehicles. They did add vehicles, yeah. So I mean, like I said, I want to check it out regardless. I just I want to give it a go and at least give it a chance. I mean, Kojima has done a lot of other things that I like too, not just you know the Metal Gear series. So, um, I don't know, have you guys played that last Metal Gear game that came out? It was, uh, Metal Gear, the terrible, the really bad one, that was like zombies and what was that called?

Speaker 4 7:05

I didn't play his last mainline games.

Speaker 1 7:07

It wasn't even his, it was. It was when he left. It was when he left. They did another Metal Gear.

Speaker 4 7:12

I remember hearing it was terrible, everybody hated it, but yeah.

Speaker 1 7:15

Yeah, so I played it.

Speaker 3 7:17

I'm curious, um, lay, since you do a lot of, you know, movies and TV shows, reviews and things of that nature what do you think Do you like Kojima? Like regardless if you play the games or not. Like, do you like seeing his work?

Speaker 2 7:30

I do, because it like, as you guys just said, he always does something different. He always has a question mark on what he releases and, yes, death Stranding is weird and there is a lot of walking, but it's you know. There's nothing else to compare it really to. It's just you know. It's still watching an awe and he's always when he makes stuff. When I do see his name on something, I always click on it. No, like, oh, I don't want to know. I want to know.

Speaker 1 7:56

Yeah, yeah, but I don't know. He's an interesting character for sure, um, so I'll be interested to see what happens of that game. Um, but I mean other than that, like what, what, what's your guys guys's take on the, the sort of event as a whole? I mean, we'll dive into some of the other subjects, but what do you, what do you think, presentation wise, what, what was presented and what you guys did see of the event? What do you think, mark?

Speaker 4 8:23

Um, there was one I remember, you know. I just couldn't remember what it's got to pull back up, because it was one game that I saw that I really liked, uh it was Judas.

Speaker 2 8:33

For me, judas was the one I was like take my money, yep.

Speaker 3 8:37

Yeah, we got to talk about that one.

Sonic Generations and the Sonic Movie

Speaker 4 8:38

It was still a blade was the game that I saw.

Speaker 2 8:41

Yeah, I was going to say it's the life and game.

Speaker 3 8:42

I knew it I mean how many games do we get?

Speaker 4 8:45

You know I like playing the game with nice beautiful women. I don't get that whole lot of money anymore. That anime style.

Speaker 1 8:52

Yeah, I mean, it looks cool though it does, it does look neat. I think I'll check it out. I mean, why not the?

Speaker 4 8:58

only one that really stood out to me. Everything else seemed kind of kind of bland for the most part, or games that I already knew about, or it's starting, which I just don't care about.

Speaker 1 9:06

Yeah.

Speaker 4 9:07

Well, if you want.

Speaker 1 9:09

Let's go and dive into that for a minute then, because I definitely wanted to talk about that on my end. I think it's cool that we're getting Sonic Generations again and that they're bringing in Shadow, which is probably my my favorite character in the series. It's interesting that you know that they chose Generations, but semi makes sense and it'll be cool. A lot of people want Sonic Adventure 3, right, like that was the hate afterwards. I don't know if you guys saw the like trailer, but the comments are like like Sonic fans are rabid. Right, I am not.

Speaker 1 9:44

I don't put myself in the Sonic community because it's it's disturbing and absurd at times, but I love the games. I'll stop there. I just I love the game. So I'm interested to see what comes of this. And you know what's crazy is that, like a lot of the leaks here recently was stuff. This came from. I can't remember the leaker, but he has leaked out a lot of stuff. That's been pretty accurate, but it leaked out two days before that. We were getting something with Sonic and it was. They were just saying Sonic Generations and people thought it was going to be like a remake or whatever. So I think it's. I think it's cool. I'm all for more Sonic. I just hope that they do it right and they give it some justice because obviously we all know like the Sonic outpuddings are hit or miss. The last one was pretty good Superstars that came out last year. It was a 2D like 2.5D game.

Speaker 3 10:47

It was decent, nothing crazy Wait did the RPG come out two years ago already, or three years ago?

Speaker 1 10:53

RPG. Are you talking about the open world game? Yeah, yeah, that came out, yeah, two or three years ago, at this point.

Speaker 3 11:00

Jesus Christ, I feel like they came out like a couple months ago.

Speaker 1 11:03

Yeah, I think it's been two years. It definitely hasn't been three years. That's right. Yeah, I've actually you know, it's funny about that GameStop gave me they had a bunch left, they were pre-order bonuses a big old box of steel books from the game. So I'm going to do some giveaways. I've got like two, so literally I've got two boxes full of giveaways stuff. It's just fine. Yeah, I've been collecting it for a while, I think since probably like August the last year, I've specifically been collecting giveaways stuff. So I'm deciding on if I want to do like in bunches, like give away, like six items all to us or I mean probably been out for stuff.

Speaker 1 11:48

Probably nothing that you guys earlier is only 20 bucks. Yeah Well, I had had cheap shipping to Australia. I've shipped all over.

Speaker 3 11:59

I don't know. I mean, at least I got too much shit. Yeah, no, I think about selling stuff.

Speaker 1 12:04

No, I was going to say you wouldn't want it. Anyway, I got some. I got like probably seven or eight of the Super Mario RPG pin sets that were pre-order bonuses and that's pretty cool. Super Mario Brothers, wonder the Snowman I don't know if you guys saw those, but they're like snowman pin sets. Essentially. I go there and I ask hey, what do you have left over from pre-orders that people either you know you had excess or whatever they throw them in the dumpster. So I mean at this point, like I just I just get, get what I can. That makes sense. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 12:40

Let me tell you a funny story. It's totally off topic, but that's okay. When I used to work at GNC and it was next to our GameStop and we shared the same dumpster, one time I saw them throw a. The Vita was setting right on top. There's a Vita on top. I'm like what? So I grab it and they take it home, I get a charger for it and it works perfectly fine and it's the Vita I have today. Yeah, nothing wrong with it. And then I found a DS Lite too. Again, nothing wrong with it. They just tossed it. At that point in time they weren't selling anything older in the Vita they were. They were getting everything out of the store and they just threw it away. I'm like what the heck?

Speaker 3 13:19

Oh, my God, we should do. We should do a series, you know, dumpster diving behind video game stores. That is a go around the country and just collect.

Speaker 2 13:30

That is a big thing on YouTube, go try and find random shit, yeah.

Speaker 3 13:34

I mean it's just amazing how much stuff they throw out. But we're getting off the topic. I did want to mention that. You guys see that all the cast that's coming back to now that we're talking about Sonic, the cast that's coming back to Sonic 3, the movie yeah yeah, he said he was done. He wants to make the kids happy. You lied.

Speaker 1 13:54

I got a cover. Yeah, I want, I want to do some movie coverage and follow that, because that one's going to introduce Shadow. I'm pretty, pretty pumped for that one.

Speaker 2 14:03

Are you guys are Sonic fans at all Like in any regard.

Speaker 3 14:08

I always liked Sonic and I played it as a kid, but I never really stick with it because I only played it really with. You know, back in the day, like all the consoles were super expensive. We didn't really have anything. So around early 2000s I would have an emulator on my mom's work laptop and I would play like Sega, sega and other arcadey games. So I played them and I liked them, but I was never able to like keep up with all the entries and stuff.

Speaker 1 14:39

I got you. Yeah, I mean nothing wrong with that. Frontiers was a pretty cool game, I think it was. It's actually, you know, it's not a bad game. It's like a seven out of 10. As far as, like you know, an open world, sonic, the attempt at it, the first attempt at like a game like that, it's pretty neat, man, it's, it's. It's worth going back to and checking out. Like you can grab it for like 15 bucks now, like if you want to get it physically and it's actually on the disc. You know that's a rarity these days. Yeah, even Sonic Superstar is already priced down to 20 bucks. I keep seeing tweets about it Amazon 20 bucks, Best Buy 20 bucks yeah, so I hear that the best Sonic game is Sonic 06.

Speaker 1 15:21

All right, we're going to move on from that topic. Yeah right, he knows enough to know that Sonic 06 is one of the worst games of all time. The game is so bad.

Speaker 4 15:35

It was fun to poke fun at.

Speaker 1 15:37

Yeah, that's true, that's true, yeah, so go ahead.

Speaker 2 15:41

As I said, you guys hear the who, the who, the rumor is, is going to be playing Shadow.

Speaker 3 15:46

I don't think it's a rumor. I think it's official. Isn't it? Is it? I don't know. I thought it was official.

Speaker 4 15:51

Is it really going to be Jeff Kealy, because that'd be perfect. No, I'm supposed to clip. That's clip worthy, right there Clip.

Speaker 1 16:01

Oh no, who is it? I remember seeing it, but now I can't. I can't think of the name.

Speaker 2 16:06

Well, if TikTok is anything, the rumor is Hayden Christensen.

Speaker 1 16:10

Yes, yeah, wait, I saw.

Speaker 2 16:12

Oh, okay, yeah too, I saw too A whole bunch of people have been announced for the movie, but I don't think they've actually announced who Shadow is.

Speaker 1 16:21

Interesting. Yeah, I mean I'm looking forward to it Like that's. That's one I'll definitely do some movie coverage on because it makes sense If it's going to get dark.

Speaker 4 16:28

That's a perfect fit. I need Shadow to say that he hates. Sand in my life would be made I brought peace.

Speaker 1 16:38

Oh, my God, jeez, he's going to ruin the whole movie. Well, that is really hate sand. Yeah, apparently. I mean. Sonic Generations was released in 2011. So that was one of the reasons I found it interesting that they decided to go back to that one. That game did very well and it's, you know, highly regarded for a Sonic game anyway. I think I don't know where the score sits, but I'm sure it's somewhere around an eight, but it's a really cool game. I mean taking 2D Sonic and then mashing it with. You know, 3d Sonic is. It's unique. So I think I think it's a little interesting.

Speaker 1 17:17

They went with that and people would go insane if they actually did Sonic Adventure 3. They've been asking for it for you. It's like Mega man Legends 3. Like they won't give it to us. So, yeah, yeah, I mean what the heck? All right, but let's go ahead and dive in. This is one of the big things that I really want to talk about, because I got some opinions. Silent Hill 2 Remake let's hear your thoughts. I don't know if the trailer looked good. Yeah, it wasn't like dog shit to me Are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 17:46

Nah, I didn't think it looked bad, I've ever played a Silent Hill game, so I don't really have a have an opinion on it. Oh my God.

Silent Hill Remake and Other Games

Speaker 1 17:53

They look so bad. The trailer is horrible. The trailer is so okay, so let's dive in some some details with it. So, first of all, like I found, I watched back the trailer probably six, seven times so I could, you know, get a little more. That's what it made. Yeah, I mean, I wanted to be able to legitimately really be able to talk about it and give an opinion. So, other than just the event, I wanted to, you know, because I was distracted streaming, so I wanted to watch it over a few times and really make sure I was like seeing what I was and the game just looks like it could have been, first of all, like an early PS4 game. It does not look good, which is not everything, but you look at the combat in the game, it looks terrible, like an upskilled PS2 games, but it looks like that's just rewatching it again.

Speaker 4 18:50

It just looks like an old game that just has better graphics.

Speaker 1 18:52

Yeah, like not even a good code of paint over it. Like I feel like Resident Evil 2 and 3, those remakes on, you know, on PS4 and Xbox one, look significantly better than this. And the crazy thing is is like we haven't gotten a Silent Hill game. It's so long and people have been begging to get Silent Hill back. So when they announced this, I was I mean, I was stoked. I was like, okay, they're bringing it back. Konami is doing something right. It looks terrible.

Speaker 4 19:22

Just like the, our tenfold had time. Maybe they were so fed up with the news for news. I was like we'll give you a Silent Hill game, but we're going to make it intentionally terrible that we'll never ask us to make another one again, because you'll be afraid that we'll just butcher it.

Speaker 1 19:37

Yeah, I don't know it's a. It's a little frustrating because the long wait for a new Silent Hill game and they've been working on it for I mean, a bit of time, and this is one of the most beloved horror series. I mean, if you are a collector or care at all about you know, getting these games. Now I don't know if you know, but the prices are ridiculous. Silent Hill 2, I'm just guessing around the price range still at is like a $200 game. Silent Hill 1 is up there too, and then, yeah, I mean those the first three are just great. Well, four is to. Four is up there in price as well. Like they're expensive. Like you're you're going to spend close to a grand to get the first four games. Like it's. It's ridiculous. So, and like the other thing is is that they butchered. I don't know if you guys ever played the Silent Hill 2 and 3 HD remaster that they released for PS3 back.

Speaker 1 20:39

Really bad and it's cheap as dirt. For a reason it's really bad. Like the performance in the game. Super bad. They cut stuff out of the games. It doesn't look good. It's got an HD coat of paint on it that makes it look worse. It's just terrible. Like it's really bad, so like it's it sucks that it's getting this sort of treatment. But I mean, on top of that, they announced the short message which launched that day and you can download it now. I did download it. I haven't played it yet, so I can't talk in depth on my experience with it. From what? From what I hear, though, it's like you can beat it in like four hours. It's like an actual game. It's not a demo, it's an actual game that's free and it's not very good, apparently.

Speaker 2 21:27

So it's the last Silent Hill came out in 2009,. Shattered Memories.

Speaker 1 21:34

Yeah, which is not not a great game either. It's like it's OK, but it's it's not very good. Yeah, I don't know, there's outside of like the first four and even some people don't care for four much Like the other games are hit or miss, like Origins is OK, but again, it's not a great game. The Vita game that they put out for Silent Hill is like a over the top, almost like it wants to be a really crappy version of Baldur's Gate. It's like not even not even remotely a traditional Silent Hill game. It's like it was being developed as a different game. Like it.

Speaker 1 22:13

It's one of those sort of games where it's like where's the sound? Like they threw pyramid head in there, like you can, you know, fight him over and over and over in the game and like progress through these rooms and it's. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but I am going to check out the short message, which is the game that dropped that day. But I do find it interesting that we are talking about Death Stranding, a one dimension, that it is called Death Stranding to on the beach. That is the official title of the game. On the beach, on on the beach on the beach.

Speaker 4 22:47

Then you'll be on a beach for like five minutes and you have another six hours of walking.

Speaker 3 22:51

Hey hey, you gotta, you gotta appreciate the little things you know unless they're going to make it all that stressful walking and then you go to the beach and then it's like beautiful and you enjoy it.

Speaker 4 23:02

So instead of walking similar, is this not going to be like a, like a Euro truck driver simulator? Can I mix it up a little bit? Yeah?

Speaker 3 23:09

as long as it has the American radio, that's a lot needed.

Speaker 1 23:14

Yeah, you need to. You need to play a trucking simulator, then you'll be good there. Lawn mower simulator I play. It was on PlayStation premium or whatever, or maybe it was Game Pass, I forget. I tried it out. I'm like this is this is way too much like real mowing the lawn. So I'm like I'm out. You know I thought it isn't.

Speaker 2 23:37

It's in 17. Isn't it 15 or 16 of a male?

Speaker 1 23:41

Well, now you're talking about farming. You're talking about farming simulator. I'm talking about lawn mower simulator, yeah yeah, where you just mow the lawn literally it's innovation.

Speaker 3 23:49

It's innovation Like keep up with the times. How about? How? About power?

Speaker 1 23:53

wash simulator.

Speaker 3 23:54

I'm jealous of people that have the patience for that. I know why it's satisfying. I just like there's so many good not, I don't want to say good, I would. I want to say better games, you can play that. When people play that, I'm like how can you commit your free time to this? Like I don't get it. Yeah, yeah, but hey, there's their own if they're having fun. Like more power chain.

Speaker 1 24:16

What do we got out next? On the, on the state of play, what do we got next?

Speaker 4 24:20

Oh, I did. There was one game. I didn't know if you had any thoughts because I'm not a traditional horror fan, but I am a metro fan. What do y'all think about the metro VR game?

Speaker 1 24:28

Oh, I think it looks really cool yeah.

Speaker 4 24:31

I think it's.

Future of VR Games and Excitement

Speaker 3 24:32

I think it's finally getting some real utilization. I think, finally, like the bigger studios are going to commit more to it. Because when you think about it, even on, I mean and I'm talking from PC perspective mostly like you have the storefronts for all the, you know your headsets and whatever, but you have the steam and it's like there's a couple of really cool games, but it's nothing that makes you like go, oh my God, this is mind blowing. And don't get me wrong, I love the games that I tried on VR, but I still feel like it's still this skepticism about it. But the reality is it's, you know, as the technology is improving, as they're like solving the, you know the motion blur and the sickness you get from it, like as you're figuring all that stuff out, I think it's going to get like a lot, a lot more coverage and a lot more funding in the next couple of years.

Speaker 4 25:21

Yeah, vr games just felt more to me more like it like a side gimmick, like I'll play it for an hour and then I could not touch it for like a year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 25:31

Yeah, yeah, I mean I'd be honest with you. My PSVR two.

Speaker 1 25:35

I haven't played it in like two months at least yeah it's unfortunate because, like I was, I was really excited about it but for some reason, like I mean, I don't have one.

Speaker 1 25:46

But I'm more excited about the meta quest three right now. I think I think the here's the thing with that is not just the sucked Well, you know whatever at this point I'm zucked on Facebook and Instagram and threads or whatever, but I think the the like a workflow applications that you can do within the meta quest three are really cool. I've like seen some thorough stuff of people showing, like, what they're doing and I think it's pretty neat Like they're adding in all these sort of because they've got the the meta quests pro as well. That's like the thousand dollar headset which is, you know, targeted obviously at like people working in the office or that's it's targeted for for work, but you can play games on it. However, I think it's kind of cool, like the other applications for it, and PSVR two does not do AR and augmented reality is pretty dope. Now, the stuff with the meta quest three looks really cool. I like adding in the the sort of environment around you to implement into games.

Speaker 3 26:54

Like we talk about indie games, kurgle, like that opens up the opportunity for a ton of like different sort of indie games that are unique, that can do cool things oh there's gonna be like I think a big one is going to be actually in the study studios utilizing AI, and we can maybe talk about it tonight, maybe we can talk about it next week. But I think, in these studios, utilizing AI and VR is going to be like such a perfect combo for dishing out insane games that take maybe like two years to develop and they're super cool. I think that's going to be exciting, yeah.

Speaker 1 27:31

Yeah, I mean we're definitely like getting closer where it's becoming like more standard for a household to have a VR headset Like I know tons of, tons of kids you know that had the meta quest to like families that had gotten them, friends had gotten them from their kids and they've got it in the household.

Speaker 1 27:52

And I knew somebody that had three sets because they had a bunch of people that were using them. They had three kids and then my friend wanted to use as well, so they had them available. They're definitely becoming more standard. I think that we are on the road to really getting to that point where VR becomes like a bigger experience for everybody, because it's still it's still a niche crowd, although the meta quest to really captured a crowd, I think, more than any headset ever the PS VR one. The big problem with that was that you had to have like what multiple different devices you had to. You had like two cables and had to hook it up with the camera and like I didn't have one, but I know that like it was a pain if you wanted to play, like you were like attached to two different cables. You had the camera, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 28:47

Simple with itoy. Itoy was easy.

Speaker 1 28:49

Yeah, bring back itoy, man, I miss itoy. Actually, that was fun. You remember the wiping like where you're white? Yeah, yeah, I loved it. That was. That was so much fun. I really enjoyed that. But yeah, I mean I think we're on the road to it being more standard and I saw, you know, a lot of people excited about the quest three and it was selling out when it first dropped. So I don't know, I'm not sure, but I think indie studios will definitely implement more stuff within that, because I'm already seeing stuff happening. But yeah, I mean, what else on the, the state of play did you guys want to talk about? I didn't. There was quite a bit. So anything else you guys wanted to cover, I did want.

Speaker 3 29:33

Let me just open this up. I closed it by accident. It was one.

Speaker 2 29:37

You guys do Judas.

Speaker 3 29:38

Oh, that's it. That's it. Yeah, judas is from the director that made the last buy shock game. Yes, and it has that. It has that strange buy shock and like old Fallout game vibe, and I really liked it personally.

Speaker 1 29:57

But yeah, no, I'm pumped for it because I love buy shock. I think buy shock is great, so I'm interested to see what they do with it. For sure.

Speaker 4 30:07

Yeah, I mean it looks interesting. I'm gonna, personally, as I get looks good. But I want to say a little bit more from the game, just to see if I'm actually gonna like it or not. Because I had in the last decade or so I became really skeptical. I don't like buying games at launch. I want to make sure it's definitely some of. I'm going to spend money and put time into it. I'm gonna. It's something that I wanted to make sure it's gonna be a good game, but it's definitely one of those that's on my periphery.

Speaker 2 30:30

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Did you guys ever play? You guys ever play atomic heart like the Russian buy shock.

Speaker 3 30:36

Yeah, I, I'm. I have it on my on my list and I really want to play it, but there's just so many video games. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 30:45

It's on my backlog at this point, so I'll get around to it eventually.

Speaker 2 30:48

It's on a late in late, you played it. No, I haven't played. I haven't played it. It's the same thing. It's on my backlog to play, but it was so much hype for it and then kind of when it released it, just kind of like faded away. Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:01

It's so I can't say a lot about it because I only played about three hours but I enjoyed what I played. But nothing, nothing crazy. And like there were so, so many game releases during that time, like it's just you can't keep up. Like I mean this year is already insane already. Yeah, I mean I, I don't know if you know, this year I'll top last year, but if the switch to is dropping, which which it is this year, then I don't know. It depends on what launches with. If we get Metroid Prime 4 and all these gigantic games that you know people are looking forward to, there's already I mean we've got what are, what are some of the other bigger games that we know about? I mean silent dogma to coming out.

Speaker 3 31:47

That's a big one, I think. I think it's really cool. Actually, that's that's a good. I wanted to talk about that, yeah, yeah.

Discussion on Video Game Releases

Speaker 3 31:54

The thing about that that I personally like is when you think about back in the day, like all the arcade games, they were incredibly hard, like it took you for something that will probably today, take you what like, let's say, five days max, like back in the day, especially when you were a kid, it would take you fucking months to to beat a video game. That's not that long, it's just super hard. Yeah, and that's what she said. But it's cool to see Dragon's Dogma Lies of P, like all these harder souls, like games come out and people are hyped about it, you know, and there there is still a lot of casual people and casual gamers and it's cool to see that there's so many new gamers every year and the scene is growing. But I really like the incentive that you know studios are getting to create harder games because they're getting such good feedback lately. I think that's a really cool thing. And, that being said, dragon's Dogma 2 is I mean, it looks freaking insane.

Speaker 1 32:49

Yeah, no, I'm a big fan. I played one in Dark Arisen. I do. Those games are legitimately. When they came out, they they just did not have the sort of. I think there's a lot of hype for Dragon's Dogma 2. But the weird thing is, is that like if you go through and look at like top announcements from the show, it's not even mentioned and like we did already know about it. But I mean Silent Hill 2 and every one of those articles and obviously Death Stranding and these are games we already knew about. So I hope, I hope that it gets the attention that it deserves. It looks like a great game. I mean, of course, if it's good, but based on the last two outings, I'm hyped.

Speaker 2 33:36

You guys in the probably just because the month they're like if you go to the trailer for Pacific Drive in that.

Speaker 1 33:42

Yes, I do like oh my God dude, that game looks so fun, looks so fun and like nobody's talking about it either.

Speaker 3 33:50

Oh yeah, so this looks sick, Dude it looks so good yeah.

Speaker 2 33:56

That I'm like take my money as well. At the end of this month, 24th to 23rd that's dropping.

Speaker 1 34:02

Yeah, what sucks about that is there's something else really big that drops that day Sea of Thieves. Sea of Thieves no Scullin' Bones, maybe. Maybe I have to have to look at the release date, but yeah, there's something big dropping that day too, but I'm going to play it. I got to play that game, for sure.

Speaker 4 34:23

Actually, I was looking at the trailer, pacific Drive, and the first thing, the first thing that came to my mind, came to my mind, are those old you play on your phone. It's the old games that used to play on, like on certain websites where it's like hey, I can't remember what they're actually called now.

Speaker 1 34:37

Asphalt.

Speaker 4 34:40

I keep wanting to say like a dope game.

Speaker 1 34:41

Obviously that's like flash game yeah.

Speaker 4 34:44

I think, like those flash games where it's like, hey, drive this car from as far as you can and you upgrade it and kind of go further, except in like the zombie setting type thing, I felt like a more imagined version of like one of those games where it's like you took a very basic concept and you like let's go a little bit more in depth, type thing. I might be completely wrong, but that's just kind of like. You know, the first thing that came to my mind, which is not a bad thing, you know.

Speaker 3 35:04

Yeah, I'm trying to attract a certain audience that like appreciates that stuff.

Speaker 4 35:08

You know, simple game, it's not too long. Not every game needs to be a constantly online. Takes 40 hours to beat. Yeah, sometimes like I could play this, beat it in two to four hours. I'm like, yeah, it's a fun game.

Speaker 1 35:20

Yeah, I mean, no, I'm with you. Not every game needs to be like that at all. Like I'm actually I'm I'm in the camp that I enjoy those shorter narrative driven games nowadays because I'm just with time, Like if I can, you know, finish up a game in eight to 10 hours, in a couple sessions. Like I'm good If I get a good story and good gameplay experience out of it. Like I'm good, Like I already don't have the time, which is unfortunate because I love RPGs. It's like my favorite genre. Other, I really like open world games now too, but again like the same concept, like usually those you spend a lot of time in. I'm still playing tears of the kingdom. I'm 140 hours in and I'm not even halfway through the story. So you know stuff like that. Yeah, You're off, Dude, just doing all the side stuff, having fun, man, Like just having fun with it. That's why I said I'm not, I'm not going to rush through this game, I'm just going to have fun with it. I'll play it when I can and have fun with it.

Speaker 4 36:19

So you know you said that I was like I think my dad's going to be the game before I do. I haven't played it like several months.

Speaker 1 36:26

It's been about. I think it's been about a month since I played it. I need to get back to that. I need to get through and actually actually beat it.

Speaker 4 36:35

But yeah, what it means for four years to be breath the wild. So you know, did it really?

Speaker 4 36:40

I didn't play it for the bit where I played it when it first came out and I sat on it for like two or three years and then when tears of king was about to come out, I was like, all right, let me actually play this game and actually beat the whole story. But when I did that, it still took me a lot of time, but I ignored most of the side content just to actually get through the story itself. So I got that completionist in me, which is kind of bad.

Speaker 4 37:00

So it'll just like well, that's not a thing, they do everything in this area, and then I can move on to the next section 999 Korok seeds.

Speaker 1 37:09

Good luck with that. If you want to. One of our, one of our best.

Speaker 3 37:12

I think we wasted time, but yeah, it's all like one of the streamers first about like getting all of them on stream and I was like Jesus, no thanks, you need to have a map in front of you or it's impossible to find them all.

Speaker 1 37:23

Yeah, because they're like random and hidden and invisible, sometimes Like weren't meant to be collected, all of them.

Speaker 4 37:29

I mean, I guess they put a little. You have a nice little Korok poop as a trophy, yeah you get the golden poop.

Speaker 1 37:35

That's, that's the exciting part. The gold literally does nothing in the game either, absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 37:40

Yay.

Speaker 4 37:42

A third of them to unlock. You really only need like a third of them, like a quarter to get everything.

Speaker 1 37:46

Yeah, your upgrades, yep, yeah, you don't even need that many at all. I didn't want to mention too, because I'm really really excited about this and usually, you know, people have their their sort of opinions on remasters. But until dawn, getting remastered for the PS5, I don't know if you guys have played that but it is a phenomenal, phenomenal game and it's. It's a it's essentially like a choose your own adventure movie, but but like it's like really interesting and it's one that you'll like want to play through again and again and again to get different endings and like different things can just happen throughout the game, like not just ending wise, like um, yeah, it's really really cool.

Speaker 2 38:30

That didn't surprise me when I saw that Cause I'm like that's perfect timing, because there's the whole thing that they're going to be making a live action movie, yeah.

Speaker 1 38:37

Yeah, it makes sense yeah.

Speaker 3 38:38

Yeah, and in terms of marketing it doesn't make sense. But I I wish that. I was hoping that you would bring it up, because I wanted to push back on it, Cause I think it's disgusting what they're doing. That's it. That's fair. No, go, no more attention, go go into it yeah. Go into it, but they're remaking it. First of all, they made a remake that doesn't even from the trailer. It doesn't even look as good as the original game. Um, the game came out four years ago, 2015.

Speaker 1 39:04

Is it?

Speaker 3 39:04

Yeah, that's that's been towards the beginning. Forget, forget. I said anything 2015.

Speaker 1 39:13

I'm looking at it right here. I was like I wanted to make sure too, cause I was like it feels like it could have been a few years ago, but yeah, no, it's. Uh, there was a.

Speaker 3 39:22

My first thought is like I just saw this game. Everybody was playing it.

Speaker 1 39:27

It's been nine years nine years, which I think like that 10 year point, for it was like an early PS four game. So like I feel like it's at that point where bringing it to a new audience, with with the new system enhanced, it's a really good game. Now I agree with you that some of the stuff is uh disgusting. Like the last of us stuff is ridiculous, like we don't need it on every console, like that one's different, where the last of us got a remaster on PS four and then a remake on PS five. That doesn't even look like a remake.

Speaker 4 40:03

Well, they remastered like a year after the original release date, which was just ridiculous. Yeah, for the first one, the very least. Yeah.

Speaker 1 40:10

Yeah, I mean, I apologize to everybody, as you should, but I mean, marketing wise, it makes sense right With the movie. That makes total sense. Now, kirk Kurgle, you could have been thinking about the other one. There was a rush of blood that came out, which was a VR game I'm thinking, no, I'm thinking about until dawn.

Speaker 3 40:29

Okay, all right. Yeah, it's all. I am still blown away. That's insane to me. Where are these years going?

Speaker 1 40:36

Well, one thing that I'll say about it, which this will be. This will kind of flip the game on its head. Honestly, it's going to offer a third person camera mode. So I don't know how that'll work, because it's not like just taking pictures, it's like an actual mode. So I'm interested to see how that works, because it is a film like movies, so maybe dynamic Like. I feel like. I feel like that's right up your alley. That game I feel like it might be interesting you know it could be cool was like check out the original. It's like you can get it for like 10 bucks I see it all the time really cheap. And the check out, yeah, like real cheap and it's a good game.

Speaker 2 41:19

So that's why I was no surprise when I saw that they were going to make a movie. I was like wow, that seems like a really easy transition.

Speaker 1 41:27

Yeah, I mean it makes sense Like I would do it too Right. Would you guys do otherwise when you, if you were in the shoes of making that decision, promote the movie by bringing the nine year old game to modern consoles?

Speaker 2 41:40

Yeah, you do the same thing, like they did that with Ghostbusters. They brought Ghostbusters remastered when Afterlife dropped.

Speaker 1 41:48

Yep, which is a really good game, by the way. I enjoy it, yeah, a lot of fun, a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 41:54

So even the Ghostbusters was the other one unleashed. That's too bad either.

Speaker 1 41:59

Yeah, that was pretty fun too. Yeah, I really enjoyed the. That one Ghostbusters game the one you mentioned before is essentially like it might as well be part of the movie series. You know what I mean. Like it filled in.

Speaker 2 42:13

It filled in like an entirely new movie and it made sense, and like half, I think half the script I mean half the script points were what they're going to do for Ghostbusters 3 bled into that movie.

Speaker 1 42:25

Now let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 42:27

It's said that that is Ghostbusters 3. Yeah, then there.

Speaker 1 42:30

Yep, yep, I've seen that Now it's Canon right. Is it Canon to the series no it's not.

Speaker 2 42:39

I think so Because Afterlife is the only mention of that.

Speaker 1 42:43

Yeah, I was going to say that that one might have messed it up. I am looking forward to the new Ghostbusters, though I thought about doing something with the trailer too. I'm excited I'm wearing a Ghostbusters hat now. Guys Look, I love my.

Speaker 3 42:55

Ghostbusters.

Speaker 1 42:59

Got to put it back on because I'm balding and getting memes made about me for being bald. I don't know if you guys seen that, didn't?

Speaker 2 43:06

you make that meme. At least you don't have to. I shared it, yeah.

Speaker 1 43:09

I shared it. They've been posting it in the lounge. I was like, whatever I asked, there was a few of them where I'm like, okay, I can't share this, but they were funny, so go ahead and turn me into a meme, I'll take it Whatever, but hey, we haven't talked about it. All, which I think is maybe one other than whatever is happening with Silent Hill to Rise of Ronin Rise of the Ronin what do you guys think about that game?

Speaker 2 43:37

Yeah, that got heaps of attention. Is that what I'm thinking of?

Speaker 1 43:41

Yeah, it looks it's from Team Ninja, so I mean, I expect this to be a pretty dang good game. I heard a really good opinion on it.

Discussion on Video Games and Collaborations

Speaker 3 43:51

I think Lyric actually said it, which is like a big streamer. But he said somebody got upset that he was comparing it to Ghost of Tsushima and he's like well, it is a samurai game in a sense. It is on PlayStation, so Ghost of Tsushima put a standard for me for these games, so I'm going to hold it up to that standard. And then somebody did mention that it looks like Neo, which wasn't a bad game at all. It's just a different, very different combat and things that you would see in like a Soulslight game. So I think it's it looks really cool. It looks really cool. I like the time period that they chose, because apparently you can use like a musket, like a, like a gun, you can have a pistol, so you can also have like a variety of different builds. You're not just stuck with, like you know, a katana or yeah, the.

Speaker 4 44:47

Time period.

Speaker 3 44:48

Basically, it's like a blend of Western culture. Yeah, get into that area so you will see a lot of houses that have that blend of architecture. They did bring, like you know, gunpowder, so you have those guns.

Speaker 4 45:05

It just I think it's like an interesting take, but I mean, it wouldn't be Historically inaccurate to have Samurai's having guns They've had? Yeah, they have a must get since the what's at the Warren State period.

Speaker 1 45:18

Yeah, they have, which is never, never covered or like never, you know introduced into. I will tell you. I mean, like any, you guys play ghosts of Tsushima. Yeah, I love the game red dead samurai.

Speaker 1 45:31

Yeah, if it's anything I mean team ninja is Is they do definitely different work than than something like that, but I feel like some of the vibes I saw from it, from the trailer, give me sort of that representation. I love ghosts of Tsushima, I love samurais, I love that period and in games that you know are usually I just I really enjoy that time period. So I think it'll be pretty cool To check out. I'm definitely excited about that. That was that was up there for me and one of the tops, but I have to mention that.

Speaker 1 46:06

Probably none of you will care at all, but I have to mention that Godzilla is getting a collab with Dave the diver, um, which I yeah, so during the presentation I freak out because I start seeing Godzilla rise from the water and I'm like, well, we're getting a new Godzilla game. Like I was freaking out. It's one of my favorite franchises and I don't know if you guys know, but people love Dave the diver and it's. It's yeah, I heard amazing things. It won some awards from from different award shows this year or last year and, yeah, it looks like a really cool game. I want to play it now. I'm definitely going to play it 100%. And such a cool Collab and very interesting because if you've ever watched any like gameplay, essentially you're scuba diving for fish. You travel all through the ocean and then you come back up with the fishing. You make sushi in a restaurant.

Speaker 3 47:00

Isn't there like a shitload more like activities and things to do? Yes, it's like a full blown.

Speaker 1 47:06

RPG. Right. Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff to do. Yeah, there's. So introducing Godzilla like makes sense, but something I never would have imagined for that game.

Speaker 4 47:19

And we can turn Godzilla into a radioactive sushi.

Speaker 1 47:23

What I'm wondering. That's what I'm wondering, like, if I don't I don't know that uh Toho would allow uh Godzilla being killed by Dave the diver, but I'm interested to see what, like, the sort of Implementation is with all that, and uh, it looks cool. I definitely did want to mention that because I it's kind of neat and um, but yeah, I mean different, yeah, yeah. And then I don't know if you guys saw the the v rising game at all. There's been talk about that. It's supposed to be like a Diablo esk clone, but uh, it legitimately looks pretty cool.

Speaker 3 47:59

So it's like, but it does have building elements and survival elements, yeah, so in that regard it's like much more advanced in a sense. Um, it looks really cool. I watched, uh, pretty much every release. You know they did like two alpha tests and one beta test, I think, for v? V rising.

Speaker 1 48:18

Yeah, oh she, I didn't even know that interesting.

Speaker 3 48:22

Maybe it was pc only, maybe that's why, maybe it's just now coming to playstation, I don't know. But um, yeah, there was. There's been a bunch of Um gameplay already and it looks really really cool.

Speaker 1 48:34

Yeah, it definitely looks cool. Um, there's also legendary tales, which is a psv r2 exclusive. Um, I mean, they they said that they were want to announce a lot of vr stuff and it looks like a Take on, sort of. It reminds me of I don't you guys probably haven't played like any of the the old school, like big box pc games that were a lot of the like magic sort of. So, um, there's a game called heroes of might and magic. There's that. This, no, not kind of kind of. I mean it's got those sort of vibes, but like, um, uh, what's wizardry and magic is one that I'm thinking of. There is one on the ds that looks just like this, but it's taken into like a vr direction. Anyway, it looks cool. It's got like skyrim vibes, it's more. It looks like it leans more into the magic side of things though. Um, but yeah, it says magic, swords, hammers, bow and arrow, more in a fantasy environment. That's cool because that sort of stuff in vr is really fun, like being able to control weapons and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 49:41

So I've been playing like one of the vr games that I really enjoyed is blade and sorcery. So it's that it's like a fantasy fantasy, like medieval time and it's it's. It's been super fun and Actually planning with um some people in my community to like do some more videos on that Hopefully soon I find the time, but it's it's super fun. You can like smash Mpcs with a fry with a cast iron frying pan. It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 50:07

Well, that sounds fun. Yeah, that'd be, that'd be a cool one. Now, um, let me ask you guys, because this launches in a few days and I think I do want to talk about it. Um, I'm not necessarily, I think, the target audience, but I don't judge a game really until I play it, unless it looks like absolute crap. Um, as far as like the gameplay mechanics, especially if it's something that's Not really targeted at me or up my alley but foam stars launches and just like a few days, I think it comes out in like the eighth, which is a square enix game of all things, and it's like, essentially, splatoon and fortnight mix I haven't made.

Gaming Preferences and Upcoming Games

Speaker 2 50:46

who? Um, he's Streaming that next year rich. Yeah, oh god, my mate, he's gonna be streaming that the next game and he's like, oh I, should you come watch. I'm like I could not give more, not give a shit about it. I could not. My alley, is it come back to you when you play something else?

Speaker 1 51:05

Is it? It's free, isn't it? Isn't a free game, like a free to play game? I feel like it is. Um, I'll check it out, like I'll. I'll give it a go to see, whatever. I mean, I'm not really into those style of games, because it's it's also sort of like Uh, kind of like overwatch too, like it gives it's like a mashup, I feel like, of those three, but it's like a 4v4 game. So that's sort of the way that splatoon is set up.

Speaker 2 51:33

Oh, what'd you say? I just look at the comments spit for the hell, like that sounds horrible.

Speaker 1 51:39

Uh, yeah, well, that would be mark for you. That sounds about right. Um, I don't know, man, it looks, it's not, it's certainly not targeted at me. Um, but it is like PlayStation, square Enix, square Enix's uh, take on splatoon, like straight up and which makes sense, and instead of spraying paint you're spraying foam Everywhere, which I like splatoon. But I haven't even played splatoon 3, so I'm not like caught up and I only played through the story of one and two. Really, I didn't play a ton of the multiplayer. Um, so I don't know We'll see it looks like.

Speaker 1 52:17

I bet it's a game that's uh, it's supported for a long time and I I bet it's successful at launch. Now, whether it can keep the longevity of people, because there is a massive, massive splatoon 3 update about to happen, like one of those big expansions. I don't know if you knew, know about the Uh, what was it called? The octo expansion for splatoon 2? But it was essentially like a brand new game added into the game. Uh, so that's just around the corner. So if, like, splatoon fans are checking this out, they're also going to very quickly drop this to, to go back over and play that, because, I mean, people are, people are there's, you know, rabbit fan base for splatoon.

Speaker 1 53:00

There's, it's played competitively and, um, yeah, I mean I think it's cool, I like to watch it more than I like to play it, which I can't say about most games. I'm not like a super big fan of watching people play competitive games. It just you know what I mean. It just doesn't interest me that much. But, um, yeah, it's. Uh, so it's going to be a ps plus free game of the month, so they can try, they can grab and try it out. This article says so. Yeah, all right, so it looks like it's going to be a free game, I think, at launch. Um, so, yeah, I mean, if it's, if it's free, I'll check it out. If that's the case, it sounds like it it's a free game at launch. So, um, yeah, what do you guys think about hell divers too, that we've known about for a long time and hasn't came out and keeps getting delayed?

Speaker 3 53:49

I Just it's one of those words. It's too far gone, I think, at this point you think so, here's what sucks.

Speaker 1 53:57

It's like starship troopers, which is like up my alley, like it legitimately is like that. If you watch the trailers, it looks like like a starship troopers game. Um, but yeah, I mean like you could be right, could be too far gone. It could be like that. Um, what was that like launch title for I think it launched around the ps5 and series x and like isn't even a thing anyway. What was that called wrap? Um, I don't think it's called crap. Yeah, yeah, no, it was like really hyped but people dropped it immediately and it was uh, it was a Game similar to this, like a third person shooter with the same sort of sort of theme. Um, but yeah, how many times has it been delayed? Little average two I am not sure radar.

Speaker 1 54:43

for a while, though, I think they've been showing it in presentations for like two years at least. So like I we've actually I feel like um, I feel like we've known about this since COVID and I think you know what?

Speaker 3 54:55

on that note, yeah, well, now that you mentioned COVID and also, you gotta consider that there's not a lot of um these like hordes of enemies coming out at you. Games, I feel like. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's different on console, but I feel like there's. There's a couple of major ones. You have the left for dead. Yeah, I have killing floor. Uh, which other ones? I mean, you had a couple of those random titles. One was like A world war z and it was, I think, another title, but people love mindlessly, like going through hordes of enemies, which I feel like. Yeah, I feel like it's it's, it's cool and I think there's still gonna be a market for it. Now that you say that, I don't know.

Speaker 1 55:34

You see those ads for like the, the mobile games where you're like shooting and like all the Thousands of zombies are coming at you and you get the upgrades as you're running away and you gotta keep them from touching you.

Speaker 3 55:47

Instant gratification.

Speaker 4 55:49

It's like that, like sort of yeah, like satisfying type, not for me, but obviously people play it Sorry this is like way out of left field, because you brought out those types of games and there's only one game I think I've actually really liked. If any of you played the game called hollow cure hollow.

Speaker 1 56:05

I don't think I've heard of it. I have to look it up.

Speaker 4 56:07

It's a type of game where you have a character and you have to survive mobs and waves coming at you.

Speaker 3 56:12

Wait, wait, hollow cure.

Speaker 4 56:14

Yeah, it's based off of, if you know anything about vtubers, the hollow live. It's like a fan made game. Oh yeah, I've never heard of this.

Speaker 3 56:21

Oh, oh, you're talking about okay, he's talking about a game that's more like vampire survivors. Now, that's a different.

Speaker 4 56:28

Yeah that's the same type of thing. Is that or no? No, no, no, no, no, no. It's just like I was even that kind of area that I know that I played, but it is similar in that Concept, but it's more like a twin sex shooter like yeah, yeah yeah

Speaker 1 56:43

gives me like, did you guys ever play like smash TV, like a, like a game like that? That's like a old midway it was an arcade game, but they it's on like a hundred different collections. But yeah, it reminds me of that. Where you have to like that one, you have like the hordes of enemies coming out of the doors and you got to clear the room, essentially Like you just got to make sure nothing touches you. But yeah, that's yeah, yeah, I mean that's what to say on that. For sure that that's interesting and I hope that hell divers, too, does well, because I would like to see it do well. It looks like it could be cool, but Doocan treatment.

Speaker 2 57:23

I want a new doocan name.

Speaker 1 57:24

I do too. I do too, I am. I am friends with the voice actor and he would happily voice actor To another game. He would happily do it. So yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 57:36

I didn't hate doocan forever Like, yes, you could tell it was bombarded by delays and Different studios and all that, but at the end of it I was like yeah, that was fun.

Speaker 4 57:46

This is a joinable core game there, just needed to be tweaked here. There It'd be a little better.

Speaker 2 57:51

Yeah, yeah, you're freaking and they gave it DLC too. Yeah, yeah mark.

Speaker 1 57:56

There was a game announced Um, this one was totally overlooked that. It looks like it's right up your alley. It's called zenless zone zero. I don't know if you watch a trailer for that, but it if you, if you go like on the PlayStation YouTube like life is, he'll like it. Well, all I see is an anime girl with giant boobs and I remember the gameplay it looked. It looked like fun, but oh, we know you'll remember.

Speaker 3 58:20

it's just you have that detail, we're sure yeah right.

Speaker 4 58:25

Yeah, looks like that standard. Uh, japanese like hack and slash type game or combo type game a little bit.

Speaker 1 58:31

But yeah, it does. It does look like that, but I figured the um a static of it might Might be up your alley. We're just gonna call him the, the, the anime waifu guy. From now on that's anime connoisseur. You, you cover, you cover all our weeb stuff.

Speaker 3 58:51

We've, is it, we've, is this whole thing. I was gonna say weeb, but then it's about that. You need to have a nicer title mark.

Speaker 4 58:57

Okay, when I was younger I definitely would have been considered a weeb. I'm not that, not that.

Speaker 1 59:02

Here's. Here's a. Here's a funny thing, mark. Do you remember back in the day we didn't have the term we? They were called otaku's, that's, we were always calling people at otaku's the same thing. Yeah, but I don't remember the, the term we've ever used in like 2010. It's been there. I mean, a whole song on it. Oh yeah, maybe I don't, maybe I don't know nothing. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't, I don't watch filthy frank.

Speaker 3 59:28

So Don't look it up, it's too old. No, it's long. No I love the group on filthy frank. I love me too, me too.

Speaker 1 59:35

He, he doesn't do youtube anymore.

Speaker 4 59:38

No, he's joji now he does, he does music, but it's completely different.

Speaker 3 59:42

Okay right, he's been spilling some pin guy into his songs, so he guys amazing what.

Speaker 1 59:48

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 59:51

Clip the inside our club brand and dislike filthy frank.

Speaker 1 59:56

Um, no, I mean. All right, obviously we. We know this is a news heavy week. Without even looking at the notes, I do want to go ahead and mention Suicide squad. Um, not heard good things about it.

Speaker 4 1:00:09

Yeah, yeah, but it's not a game I would have played anyways.

Video Game Performance and Expectations

Speaker 3 1:00:12

I think it's one of those things where is gonna have a redemption arc, because it really looks like the core gameplay looks fun. It's just repetitive as shit. That's the. That's the problem. I saw it with it. Yeah, it looks super funny. Well, here's a problem?

Speaker 1 1:00:29

What here's a problem? First have you gotten crashes? Have you gotten crashes? No, you haven't gotten any crats. How many hours have you put into it?

Speaker 2 1:00:37

I forgot about eight so far.

Speaker 1 1:00:40

Okay. So I watched a stream and the guys game crashed five, six times and if If you go online, I was. I was listening some videos today to prep for the podcast because I wanted to Make sure I was well rounded on everything. And, yeah, that's a big issue is the the performance of the game outside of the gameplay and I guess I'm allowed to speak and obviously I can now when I played the alpha. The alpha is very similar and looks pretty much the same as the release. It wasn't that long ago. What was it like two months ago? Maybe the alpha, yeah, something like that Doesn't look any different. It didn't. It didn't stand out to me. It was not to me. It did not feel like an Arkham game and it did not feel like a game From the people that made one of the best superhero trilogies of all time.

Speaker 2 1:01:32

Well, look, it's yeah. If you go in think it's gonna be like the Arkham games, it's not. It's just the story that take from it and a lot of people are pissed because the story of people who dies. And an annoying thing is, it's literally in the title what is it in the?

Speaker 2 1:01:47

damn title. Yes, they're going to die and I give Rocksteady all props for Actually going through that. And then it's not like, oh, they're gonna come back and they're gonna save the day and team up. No, they've done a completely different story and like this is a lot better than Gotham Knights, which was a giant pile of shit.

Speaker 1 1:02:06

Uh, yeah, that was. That was a really bad game. I was super disciplined with that too, but but that wasn't in the Arkham universe, so no, as much as I tried to connect it to.

Speaker 3 1:02:17

Yeah, they tried, but Gotham Knights was better. Hell, I think the Marvel's Avengers is better.

Speaker 1 1:02:23

I will say this Gotham Knights has gotten a lot of updates, so I've heard that it's a better game now, but Gotham Knights.

Speaker 3 1:02:31

Got them a lot of updates. Get it.

Speaker 4 1:02:34

All right. I did hear some along the lines with when they were talking about Suicide Squad, where somebody was.

Speaker 3 1:02:39

This is a little bit different of an argument, but they were coming to comparing the the graphics of a Suicide Squad compared to like a game from Arkham Knight which is like nine years old, and I did see some criticism and people don't people about taking consider one thing about that people don't take into consideration the the amount of stuff you can render locally and then the amount of stuff you need to render and a live service game. Yes, and you need to take in consideration the online aspect, like people that it goes over their heads so easily, but you can't compare like about it. Yeah, yeah for sure. I just think it's silly to to compare fundamentally two different games.

Speaker 1 1:03:18

Well, I I'll say this, that that's true, but I don't think it should be to the extent of it looking worse Than a game that came out, you know, nine, ten years ago. I mean I think that, um, the first Arkham game looks better than Suicide Squad. I mean that's kind of ridiculous. I get the live service thing, but also, this game did not need to be you do. This game did not need to have you connected online at all times. That that angers me so bad, because that means that game won't be around at ten years. I the game might not even be around at five, like we'll. We'll see.

Speaker 3 1:03:55

I'll see. I mean, I think. I think Also, video game studios are moving more towards products. They're looking at things. They're looking at a video game as a product. They're not looking at it as a entry in a series of games they're making, if that makes sense, like they're not thinking Okay, that's the problem out. We're not gonna uh, you know, do five games in the next 12 years. We're gonna do two games in the next 12 years, but we're gonna support each of those games for six years or whatever.

Speaker 4 1:04:25

Is that the same kind of argument that I think I don't know who's the CEO or somebody high up at ubisoft was like you have to get, you're not gonna own games anymore? I know they got a lot of a lot of back. I assume it's the same kind of mentality.

Live Service Games

Speaker 3 1:04:36

I don't think it's the same necessarily, because when you think about it like what's like, look at call of duty, and that's why they're getting so much backlash, right Like battlefield 2042 Shit show at the beginning, right Now it's at a point where it's like it's pretty decent, it's good now.

Speaker 3 1:04:53

They're coming with, coming out with a new battlefield game, but they probably don't have to, because what they can do is they can take this live service game. They have a good engine to build upon and it still looks amazing like the game still looks great, considering that there's so many players and so many things happening. But on top of that you take, taking consideration, all the development costs, right, like, do you want them to spend another five years building a whole new game or do they have the the base Right? They have what they already created and they build on top of it, they make a campaign, they make events, they make you know, I don't know, a lot of games do it badly when we talk about live service stuff, but there's some games that actually do it pretty good, you know, and I don't think, I don't think it's necessary. My point is, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. It's the way that they execute on that, on that like idea that that is bad most of the time.

Speaker 4 1:05:48

I think there's some argument is that the some of the that live service format does start to trickle down into more Single player type games, especially. You see, some people we get it's all we have to be online, which necessarily shouldn't be here. It's, this is all we do is get single player game series. Like I grew, I love that you're supporting it, but I eventually want another game, a new, full new story.

Speaker 3 1:06:09

I agree with that like I was really disappointed. That's one of the things I was really disappointed about. 2042 is like there's no campaign and, like they said, they try to present it to you as like we're taking this cool new approach, we're gonna tell the story through the multiplayer. Yeah, bitch, you're giving me five sentences Each time I start a match. That's not a campaign. That's like a lazy way to say we don't want to make a campaign because we want to sell you a battle pass, like that's the way that I saw it, right, yeah, and there's obviously bad things about it, but I don't think it's necessarily all bad. We always see, you know, and that's the thing with game is like there's this pendulum, like it's always like either fully to one way or fully the other way, but I think a lot of it is is in the middle, where it should be.

Speaker 4 1:06:48

Yeah, I mean, I think of those types of games like I. It would, to me, make me, it would make more sense of a game like a battlefield or a color duty Kind of splits into like a. You have the multiplayer portion where that just constantly gets updated. You don't need a new game, you just have your oyes online and then make your go back to a game, a color game, where it's just your, your campaign, as its own separate game. But I feel like they're not going to go that route.

Speaker 3 1:07:11

But well, I think that the most I think it's like a lose-lose Situation, right, if they tell you, okay, we're gonna make campaigns, but you're gonna have to pay full price for them. There's no multiplayer? Right, then the gamers are gonna say, well, why the fuck am I playing 70 dollars for a 20 hour campaign and I don't have multiplayer? Right, like there's always gonna be thing, there's gonna be something for gamers to complain and as a game studio, it's really hard to win, like you're kid. And that's the thing with anything right, like content creation and, and you know, video game creation, whatever, right, you can't please everybody. And at the end of the day, they're gonna look at the numbers, they're gonna say, hey, this makes sense for us as a studio, let's go with it right. At the end of the day, the developers have to get paid management, qa, testers, like all the little little things. That. That not a lot. You don't see right up front.

Speaker 4 1:08:00

Not as good. I didn't know if anybody else had anything, but I guess that's the one thing where it's if you're just making a campaign like, well, it doesn't need to look this, it doesn't look like a movie, you don't need these hundreds of million dollars. You could probably cut back exactly, save some money. Yeah, and you know you're probably still gonna still sell some copies, but I mean, what about shareholders?

Speaker 3 1:08:21

What about shareholders? They?

Speaker 1 1:08:22

have to get their return. That's the problem. That's the problem with gaming right now. Gaming, well see, here's my issue. Like you can like whatever you like, but the problem is, like some of these games coming out like Suicide Squad, that's pushing towards this stuff that we're all not for with with gaming. As far like Curgal you talked about, I'm interested more in indie because of the crap coming out, like we're we're getting to a point where we're okay with getting crap releases at lunch and I'm not okay with that.

Speaker 1 1:08:55

And the, the live, the live service, okay, it does not. That game does not need to be connected online at all times and because of that, unless they disconnect that which they have the capability of doing, then that game's not going to be preserved. So like that's my problem too, and like all all these games are just going to be lost to time. I mean, like somebody brought up anthem, that that was one of the games I was thinking of. Like anthem, like that's Just like that. And there was an godfall. I mean godfall is another game. That what closed down in a year. Within the year they're coming out, yeah. So like there's a, I think one out of ten live service games are successful.

Speaker 3 1:09:34

But that's my point it's not always necessarily bad. Right, you have great games. I mean, there's a perfect example and I know I bring this game up a lot, but, um, path of exile, right, um, the, the guy that worked on I think he worked on Diablo, but basically oh, actually he didn't work on Diablo, but he, um, he was a big Diablo gamer. And eventually Diablo 3 has its ups and downs, right, and it was a live service game for many, many years and people either hated it or loved it and it was like a this whole Shit, yeah, and this guy goes like, I'm gonna open up my own studio, I'm gonna make what I wanted Diablo to be all these years.

Speaker 3 1:10:10

And they literally have this philosophy that they have micro transactions, right, like they have some, um, you can buy some additional storage space. Uh, you can buy these costumes, effects, but nothing gives you actual player power, right, there's no marketplace like in Diablo 3 where you could spend like 700 dollars and get best gear in the game and like, what the fuck is the point of playing in an arpg? But he made it a point like I'm not gonna do this and they stuck by it and they're Growing and growing, and growing and our path of exile, too, is coming out, and it just you gotta give props to those studios that do it right, you know, um, because obviously there's always gonna be the bad, you know bad things that that studios do, but that's inevitable, that's that's anywhere in the industry for for sure.

Speaker 1 1:10:56

Yeah, yeah, I, I don't, I don't know it's.

Speaker 3 1:11:01

I'm not trying to defend Suicide Squad, just to be clear. I'm just playing devil's advocate For the sake of the discussion, right? Yeah, I think I think that it should be optional to be online. I agree 100, you know, you know, but you know. Then you get into the the deeper things of what you know Studios have to do and what they want to do, and that's it, yes, you have.

Speaker 4 1:11:23

It's a multiplayer game. It should be a multiplayer game. If it's a single player game, keep it a single player game. This blending kind of kind of ruins gaming, to a degree, at least for me, because I Games I love that are online service more towards the MMO side of the house, because the only one I really play is elder schools online, yeah, but you know I don't mind that. But if I want to play a single player game like I, would like to be able to play it and not have to worry about it going offline and being, yeah for sure, forever.

Speaker 3 1:11:49

Yeah one, yeah one thing Skyrim did a while. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:11:52

I didn't I mean one thing, it's not there's many things, but you know I saw that like they're the season one for a suicide squad We'll be dropping soon. So we'll see, as these seasons progress, whether it sticks around. But my guess is that this is not going to to remain a successful game, even with Gotham Knights, like getting all the patches and and worked on to it a few of the hardcore people. I've gone back to it and said it's good. But have you heard that like sort of universally, like you know, people are going back and flocking to this game. It was free on, uh, playstation plus and I still didn't hear anything about it so like two months ago, Gotham months got made by WB game.

Speaker 1 1:12:34

Yeah, yeah, I think it was WB game studio, um, so I'm.

Speaker 2 1:12:38

I think I only play that Four hours of that. I'm like, no, this is, this is bad.

Speaker 3 1:12:44

But there's, I mean, but there's a larger issue at play when you talk about all these like great franchises that get taken over by these, you know, big, big studios is games are being made by programmers and Product managers. They're not getting made by gamers. That's like a really big you know issue that I see with the games in the last like eight, nine, ten years. Because when you think about it and I mentioned Skyrim earlier Skyrim was you. We didn't know how good we had, it right. But then Bethesda said well, you guys like this, I'm gonna sell you the same game for the next 12 years, right? And that's another shitty thing to do, you know it. Also, you can't win like you will get one good game, everybody's gonna like it, and then the and the studio is gonna go oh, look at these fools, they're gonna keep spending money on this one project. We may go. I just keep churning it up, you know.

Speaker 1 1:13:34

But Yep, I don't, yeah, I mean I don't know, but we had, uh, somebody in the chat say my main problem with kill the justice league is that there's Two floyd Lawton dead shots now because of origins. What? Oh? Here Let me mention a spoiler, because I mean that was kind of a spoiler anyway, so you don't want to hear it tune out for a second, but too bad, sorry. Um, king shark is able to take green lanterns ring, like that. That doesn't, that does not. Yeah, I mean like that doesn't hold with the he told you you can close.

Speaker 3 1:14:11

Yeah, uh, I won't.

Speaker 1 1:14:13

I warned you. I warned you. If you're eight hours in, you should have already seen that anyway. You should have been.

Speaker 2 1:14:20

I keep going, I keep like taking my time.

Speaker 1 1:14:22

Oh, gotcha, that's you, I don't there ain't much to take your time with. But uh, but no, like continuity. And then you know, just comic book source material, like as far as the arkham games, like they were very true to the comics and they were following a story with the comics and this is part of that universe. So it's just weird that rock steady is like let's just throw stuff. Here's what I think. I think the rock steady that made those games is not even the same rock steady at all.

Speaker 3 1:14:51

I think we're looking at probably an entirely new cast of developers, production crew, everything, art designers, that's what happens when, when there's a good, good game series Like, let's say, they release three really good games, right, all those developers, managers, they're all going to get raises and it's going to get to a point where the studios are not going to want to pay them that much. And this happens all the time in software development, whether it's gaming, whether it's, you know, regular stuff Um companies that sell whatever they want. You know, if they have a good year or a good few years, they're going to get fired for the soul. You're gone. No, yes, but uh, most of the time they're going to be churned and because they're, they bleed too much money to the company, right, and then you get, you know, cheaper people, in a sense, that work the same thing, but they're just not as passionate, they're not going to do the same job, and yeah, that's just the reality of it.

Speaker 1 1:15:46

So suicide squad was delayed what twice? Two or three times, two times. So I wonder, um, what was changed when that trailer, the first premiere I don't know if you remember lately, but um, it got massive backlash was downvoted like crazy. What was changed from that point? Because to me, like it visually looked like a better game. Obviously the trailer was got awful, but it visually, when they showed the actual which, it was like not much. It was mostly a cinematic trailer. Um it, it looked like it was going to be an entirely different type of game. So I wonder what was changed from that point, because that's been what? Two, at least two years, right, two, three years maybe well, yeah, this game has been developed for about four.

Speaker 2 1:16:36

I think that's a lot of time.

Speaker 1 1:16:38

That's not long. Yeah, that's not long, but the delay I feel like I remember seeing it. I don't remember if it's 2020 or 2021 that that trailer was revealed.

Speaker 2 1:16:48

It was last year, uh, I think this time last year, because I remember looking going yeah, it's about to come out year eight.

Speaker 1 1:16:55

The, the first, the very first trailer.

Speaker 2 1:16:58

Oh no, the gameplay trailer. Oh yeah, gotcha ripped on like no tomorrow.

Speaker 1 1:17:03

Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just, I don't know, man, I don't know, I just, you know, I, I hope the best for the game, whatever. I actually kind of don't, because I'm tired of seeing this crap. So, whatever, discipline, I don't know, we'll see if it, if it keeps traction, because I mean, we'll keep updates on it when the season, season one, launches, we'll see what patches come, come on board. They did put out Something I want to say on twitter that there should be a Performance patch or something coming soon. So there's something dropping for people that are actually playing the game, pretty soon so, and also actually playing.

Speaker 1 1:17:42

Well, I mean, yeah, I'm just, I'm being real with you. I also didn't realize that helldivers two launches on the eighth, by the way. So, yeah, that's close. Yeah, I'll lay it again until they don't. Well, it's awfully close to delay, but they, they have, they've done that before, they've done that before, so I wouldn't be surprised. Hey, what do you guys think about the? Uh, this is what we'll get to the other notice, what would you guys think about the um tomb raider Re remastered trilogy, because that drops on the 14th?

Speaker 2 1:18:12

Oh yeah, you can get the. You can freeze the butler, so I'm pretty happy about that.

Speaker 4 1:18:18

Yeah, it seemed nothing but good things about it, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:18:20

I think. I think it's, I love, I love the series, so I'm so. I even like the uh reboot series.

Speaker 3 1:18:25

Yeah, I think I feel like it's one of those things where it's it's justified to make Our remake. It has such a cold following and you know so many people love those games. Um, yeah, I feel like it's. It's one of one of the not rare, but one of the proper ways to do it for sure.

Speaker 1 1:18:41

Yeah, and the other two isn't it? No, it's one. Uh, no, one. Two, three, one, two, three. Yeah, what the Alrighty? Then? What was it? What was that For all the audio listeners? Uh, we just let a bunch of balloons off, for, for some reason, it's this.

Speaker 2 1:18:59

He uh mac mac reactions has no off switch unless you go into what setting to turn off. It's bullshit.

Speaker 3 1:19:09

I have a guy where it always does it, but we have the craziest discussion about a project and he just goes like luch his hands up and there's like balloons.

Speaker 2 1:19:20

It's great what the it's going horrible balloons everywhere.

Speaker 1 1:19:25

It's crazy, yeah. So, um, big deal news obviously hit right at the beginning of the. Actually, I think it hit the day after maybe the last podcast episode. But, uh, xbox fires its entire physical disc department, shifting towards digital only the entire department. Yeah, I think that's a mistake, mm-hmm. Well, they did say that their their xbox refresh, refresh is a, um, beautifully digital only console. That was phil spencer's words.

Speaker 2 1:19:57

Beautifully, beautifully digital between that and the employees he's beautifully fired yeah.

Speaker 1 1:20:05

I mean that's yeah, more people losing their jobs and in the game, I mean here's my, here's my take, because there's more of this. We're not done what. Who would in their right mind, would want to join the video game industry at this point, unless you are An nd developer or an nd studio, where these sort of problems, these triple a Um shareholder type companies are involved, like who? Who would want to do that now, at this point, when you.

Speaker 4 1:20:32

I wouldn't encourage it. I mean, if you want to make a game, do your own thing, even if it's part time, like if you have the passion for it, you'll you'll make an nd game and you know, make, make a name for yourself. I mean, look at super meat boy. No, but regardless of like the whole fire and all that, all we've heard for years is how terrible the word culture is at these Tripple studios. Who wants to really get into that, into that industry, like it? Just it doesn't seem like it's sustainable long term.

Speaker 3 1:20:56

Well, people just think that it's just because it's video games that it's this marvelous thing to do, when in reality, big studios it's just like working any other office, like work or job like that. That's what it comes down to, and that's what I was saying earlier Is like you can't afford to have passionate people on board because they're gonna cost you too much and because You're so worried about what the shareholders want. You're not going to listen to creative people. You're not gonna take risks on people that that want to do different stories because, hey, you know we might lose money on this project because we're shoveling, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars into this.

Speaker 4 1:21:31

So but is that necessarily sustainable long term? Because eventually, I mean you'll have you'll, people will buy your you, you can find people to buy your games, but outside of maybe like a call of duty type thing, like I don't think it's eventually could be sustainable because I think it eventually most definitely is Drop off. Well, could you already kind of seen a now with with the indie games starting to get more of a push because they're more creative? They don't for sure this high over cost. I think eventually you're going to see this shift to indie games getting more money, being a little bit bigger and being that more creative and to some degree it's going to overshadow a lot of triple A games Because they're big bunny, no risk, it's just a cookie cutter, boring game.

Speaker 3 1:22:09

I agree. But also you got to think about how, how big mobile gaming is and these triple A studios are Rack so much money through micro transactions and mobile games. A lot of people don't know but mobile gaming, in terms of like revenue and sales, is bigger than all the platforms, all the other gaming platforms combined.

Speaker 1 1:22:29

Yeah, it is. Just think about it, for a cent is like what the top company, ten cents one of them.

Speaker 4 1:22:35

Yeah, I mean one in China, I think. But I mean, there's no development costs when you, when you deal with mobile gaming, it's the cheapest crap out there.

Speaker 3 1:22:43

But that what they do is they just do a lot of you know, psychological research Things that they can do to get you to spend money and it works and that's why it's so big, like, yeah, there's the biggest amount of whales. And gaming, yeah, I'm out mobile.

Speaker 4 1:22:58

Everybody has a phone and people that don't play traditional games. I download a mobile game to kill.

Speaker 1 1:23:04

You know candy crush candy crush, flappy bird, I mean like angry birds Get. Things like that, I mean are like what you know, especially Especially during those time periods. But I mean it's, it's you know, it's a thing now. But do you guys just remember, like those certain time periods, like when angry birds launched, that was like it was massive, it was just, it was everywhere, like everybody talked about it. In flappy bird it's the most simply, you just tap the screen and like people are obsessed and like that's all, that's all it takes for mobile gaming, like it doesn't take much because you're grabbing the, you're grabbing everyone, really like you're grabbing the general audience. You're not grabbing the, the core gamers who are playing on a console, and you know you're making it accessible to everybody.

Speaker 4 1:23:53

Yep, yeah, exactly, there's a different question, because do you see, I guess it was different to me deal with the. Obviously there's been recent years been a lot of talk about the whole Lootback's crap, but even with some of this dlc Micro transaction stuff Does it feel at times like it's kind of gambling to a degree that the industry is going to mow you far you want, but there's a point where the industry is not going to fix it, fix itself. So certain things should maybe be, you know, banned at a, at a legal level, to kind of, you know, we'll force the, the industry, to kind of regulate certain things. Since you just dabble on a little bit.

Speaker 3 1:24:30

I don't know the. The market in the us is so vast and so open and so lobbied towards capitalism that it's and there's so much money in the us that the consumerism part is so big. I don't know about australia, but I know about europe. They're more likely to tell you hey, you can't be doing this for gonna. You know straight up, ban loot boxes and shit.

Speaker 4 1:24:51

I mean the different. The eu and the different countries in europe kind of have started to go that route because At least with the loot box portion of it, they see it as this is gambling.

PlayStation Handheld & Animal Cruelty

Speaker 2 1:25:00

Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 1:25:01

It is very predatory to people that either don't have control, or To gears toward kids who oh, I got mom and dad's credit card me rack up 500 dollars 100%.

Speaker 3 1:25:11

That's why that whole loss loss should happen with forknight out to like pay back like millions upon millions of dollars like each yeah, what? Like six months. You could just like at any point just say, oh, I want to refund all my shit. And so many kids and young adults were like, oh my god, I made back six hundred dollars that I spent on forknight like hell. Yeah, you know it's, but that doesn't happen in the us. It's. It's very rare. So I think it's. I think there is moral ground with consumers, but there's also way too much consumerism in the us to to stop it at this point, you know.

Speaker 4 1:25:46

Yeah, forcing the issue, forcing the companies to be like you can't do this.

Speaker 1 1:25:50

Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah, and I wanted to add in something real quick because this did just drop In the last like I don't know 10 hours. I just saw it today and it's kind of everywhere. There's a rumor out and it seems to have some, you know, significant backing to it that, uh, an actual new PlayStation handheld console is in the works and I yeah, so it sounds like it's they Legitimately want to do a predecessor to the PlayStation video, which, if you had one, also interacted with the PlayStation TV, and then obviously the ps3 and ps4. So, like you could do the I mean before, like the PlayStation portal, you are already able to do that you could stream games from your console. So this would be interesting because this would be a dedicated handheld, and I want to give the actual information that we have here because I don't know about you, but I'd be super interested in this having a dedicated PlayStation handheld. Again, this says, following the Vita's relatively poor commercial performance and never really seemed like the Sony would return to the handheld space.

Speaker 1 1:27:03

Recent video from the YouTuber includes a segment on a new PlayStation handheld nicknamed Vita 2. Unlike remote play only PS portal, this supposed new device will be a dedicated portal console that can play games, and natively. The report states that the machine is in a high level design phase, meaning it's a very early state, apparently at least two years out, and technically not entirely greenlit for launch. It will have a custom APU from AMD and then a nutshell would be capable of running digital PS4 games natively. As for PS5 software, mlid says developers tell them it's a plausible. It's plausible that games could be updated on a case by case basis. So if it is a dedicated handheld like that, that sort of makes sense that it's up to PS4, grow natively. I mean, what do you guys think?

Speaker 4 1:27:59

I guess the big question is that it is can it really compete with the Steam Deck? Because obviously Nintendo is going to do their own thing and they've got their first party library. That's going to bring people in. But it seems like it's real competition. This market's going to be the Steam Deck and that has such a already dedicated library that it can kind of play to varying degrees. Obviously, I don't know if they if they're going to be patient enough to grow the market or if they're able to get, if they're going to be able to.

Speaker 3 1:28:26

But here's something, here's food for a thought, for a thought on that. Like, yeah, I agree, but what if their plan is to actually since they've never been doing it do backward compatibility with old like Vita games and old PSP games, like if they did that they had they have crazy good libraries at a time?

Speaker 4 1:28:47

They'd have to to open a market because it's hand held.

Speaker 3 1:28:51

So you don't necessarily need you know insane, like you know triple A games on it. You need fun games on it that are quick, that you can play on the go. If they did that which there's like what 10% chance that they're doing it yeah, if they do that they're going to have some really good traction. I feel like.

Speaker 4 1:29:09

Yeah, I agree Because they're. The other issue is you can already play a lot of their first party games on steam that they started porting over, which you can then play on the steam deck. You just have to wait like a year since it's come out. Could I think what's it? The second zero dawn game comes out on steam in like a month or something like that. So yeah, they have to tap into that or stop porting their games to the PC all together and kind of force that I think it worked.

Speaker 3 1:29:33

But I also think, like I don't, I don't think it's going to be a directly competition to the steam deck. You know what I mean. Because the new games, yeah, they're getting put into the steam market, but the older games, like you, can't find a lot of these games. But it makes sense for them to sell the new games because they're getting a lot. They're probably getting more adopters on the PC side to their console through it. So I think it's. I think it's a smart thing to do, at least.

Speaker 4 1:30:03

Yeah, if they're be more patient, actually make a better handheld, but I just like a lot of things. I'll remain skeptical. We don't even know if it's going to be a thing or not. But yeah, not as a good library. But is that going to be enough to bring enough people to the console that actually want to play those games for it to be financially viable? Because obviously some of their dedicated fans will. But is there going to be enough of a market there?

Speaker 1 1:30:26

Yeah, I mean look the PlayStation portal, like there was an outrage on it not being a dedicated handheld right, like if you watched any.

Speaker 3 1:30:35

YouTube or ever. It makes no sense to me.

Speaker 1 1:30:38

There is an absolute outrage for that. But then it sold out and you still can't get it in stores. I see, like the drops, so there'll be tweets and like sold out, sold out in minutes, seconds, like they're gone. Like that, like there'll be a best buy drop and they're gone, so like they're still not being stocked in stores, just like the PS5. So I mean I don't know. I know people would be excited about this, but other than that, I don't know. But it also says that it can. It concludes by saying that it could possibly be a PS6 companion device. That's poor and a portable alternative targeted at the Japanese market, which we all know that Japan's market is heavy with the portables, like they love portable systems and consoles.

Speaker 4 1:31:27

Does that make sense as far as they're trying to do something with it, because they already do some level of their remote play type thing. They're going to like essentially integrate that to be like, well, you can just, if you have it on your PS5, you can pair it and you can just essentially play your PS5 games on the go.

Speaker 1 1:31:41

Well, that's what the portal is. That's what the portal is. I guess that that makes a little bit more sense. That's a stream, I mean.

Speaker 1 1:31:48

The problem with that is like even me, I have had a lot of issues with it. I've now messed with it probably 10 times and I tried out God of War and then some like really low level games. I've got really good Internet, fiber Internet right next to my PS5 and still having massive issues with it and there's been, I want to say, four patches for it so far and there's more to come, which is kind of kind of disappointing because I was like, oh, this will actually let me get to play the system. The problem for the dedicated systems is, you know, having a child. That makes it hard to be tethered to a console and that's why if any console gets played, the switch just by nature gets played the most. You know whether I want to play some of those and that's why I got it, but unfortunately I've had a lot of issues with it and the last patch made it slightly better.

Speaker 1 1:32:44

But it would get so bad that God of War just completely freeze, just stop. It would look like it was 240p and just stop like couldn't do anything, multi dollar company, so it's frustrating. It's frustrating. I mean, if I'm right next to my console, I have really good Internet and it's still not working. I'm you know, I just you know, I don't know. Hopefully that gets better. But this is interesting. We'll go ahead and move on to the next one. We got that. Peta is talking about power world in game cruelty towards virtual animals. I forget who brought this up in the chat, but this is this is an interesting one.

Speaker 3 1:33:25

I was dying laughing. I wrote it down because, yeah, it's one of the most hilarious statements I've seen in gaming, like it just tells you how well they're doing with their game when somebody wants to leech off of them through animal abuse. I just wanted people to know that that's that. That's been a statement that was said yes, yeah, you know. Like, okay, you have Pokemon company going after them because they obviously took inspiration from their characters. Fine, that makes sense. You telling somebody that pixels, ones and zeros on a screen that are getting smacked with a wooden club and put into spheres is animal abuse? It just blows my mind.

Speaker 2 1:34:09

I mean, like I'm pretty sure they also mentioned that they would even give you some kind of they're working on a diet plan or what you can feed your animals better in the game.

Food, Gaming, and Nintendo Trademarks

Speaker 1 1:34:20

Oh, my God. I do, you guys remember that they used to make these, to make those flash games where, like you would, I forget, but I remember like Pikachu being involved in one, but their website would have these like flash games where it was like Mario they they outraged over Mario jumping on the goombas because they were two animal like, and the turtles the Cupid Troopers like they outrage over that.

Speaker 2 1:34:44

How else do you make to do soup?

Speaker 3 1:34:46

I mean, they don't go all lay. If you will, legit to eat turtle gumbo and this is a southern like a southeastern thing in the US. Oh my God, it is the best Pita if you, if you're watching, you need to try turtle. Shit is delicious.

Speaker 1 1:35:03

Yeah, you all got to try that, so it really is good. Have you guys had alligator? That's popular Gator bites.

Speaker 3 1:35:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:35:11

Gator bites are legit. Yeah, that's what. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I love it.

Speaker 4 1:35:17

Alligator. I have to know it was wrestled by some Florida man first and it needs to be all oh no, no, no you're never going to wrestle because Florida man has the alligator as the pet.

Speaker 3 1:35:28

So yeah, that's not going to.

Speaker 4 1:35:31

I was like they're swamp puppies my bed.

Speaker 3 1:35:34

Yeah, they take them to the store and shit. I got to find a picture, crazy for you guys, there's. There's a guy holding a baby Gator, like right here over his shoulder, literally like a like a human baby, and he's going to the store with him. It's just for people that are not from the US Florida man is just the embodiment of America in the worst way possible.

Speaker 2 1:35:54

Hey, he's been immoralized in Granthoros 6 to.

Speaker 1 1:35:57

Yeah, oh, that's true. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, I mean this is. It's just ridiculous. Come on, like Peter, shut up. Get out of here, get out, I'm going to. I like my slim gyms, I like my hamburgers. I don't, I don't care.

Speaker 3 1:36:13

I'm sorry If I bleed and I don't want it, brother.

Speaker 1 1:36:18

We need to bring the liver King on here to discuss this.

Speaker 4 1:36:20

one man See what you guys are saying. The lipstick was big first.

Speaker 3 1:36:26

Oh my God, did you guys see that? Now? This reminded me. There's like a whole Tick Tock series where there's it's like made like an anime and they're preparing like chopping up Pokemon and like cooking. Oh my God, oh yeah. So now I'm not seeing that that it's such a cool like concept. It's on Tick Tock there. That's where I saw it, but I'm sure you can find it on YouTube or whatever. You should watch it. It's hilarious. I got you.

Speaker 2 1:36:49

There's like.

Speaker 3 1:36:49

Charizard Bulbasaur. Like he takes the Bulbasaur, he cuts off the little head, the little flower head on top, you know, and then he starts like chopping him up. But they made one for Power World. That's why I'm mentioning this and it like people were pissed in the comments and I was just laughing. I was like you people get way too bent out of shape over ones and zeros on this family.

Speaker 1 1:37:11

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, I've always thought it was stupid. I think for them, this is just like a way to keep their name relevant every time this happens 100%, they just want to keep the name relevant, like people if this hadn't been brought up. When's the last time somebody heard about Pita or Caird? I mean, the last, last time? Yeah, I mean, I don't know me, and it's just stupid that that one's dumb we got the Mortal Kombat movie to are the. Yeah, mortal Kombat 2 movie is almost done. Leah, do you have any insight on this?

Speaker 2 1:37:44

Just, it's wrapped up. The source Carl Urban. He posted saying it's all wrapped up now and it's just now. It's post production. I don't think there's actually a release date for it.

Speaker 1 1:37:58

Not that I've seen myself.

Speaker 3 1:38:00

I thought I saw. I thought I saw 2025, early 2025. No, I'm a good guess. Well, maybe, maybe, maybe I was reading a different article, but I'm pretty sure I didn't put anything in the notes.

Speaker 1 1:38:10

Yeah, our notes has a double, double link for Bloodborne Cart, which you're going to talk about next. So I don't we can look. I mean, I can look it up real quick.

Speaker 2 1:38:19

I mean, are you?

Speaker 4 1:38:19

guys excited about the movie Only if it's like the original Mortal Kombat movie, I need it to be super cheesy to enjoy it. Hey, I'm not going to lie. I like what you're the source material to process.

Speaker 1 1:38:32

I didn't. I didn't like an Isle Asian. But no release date, ok, well, yeah, mortal Kombat 10, or miss right, because it's had a live action series that nobody talks about. Nobody talks, and I really enjoyed it it was just called a Mortal Kombat and I maybe like 2012 that came out and then we had the Mortal Kombat, obviously the new Mortal Kombat movie, but there was like three other ones plus the animated movies, which I guess that's like a different thing. But I mean, there's been a lot of iterations of Mortal Kombat over the years and in cinema and it's the movie that came out wasn't bad either.

Speaker 4 1:39:10

No, I like that it arguably gave us the best theme song music of all time. I mean, it's it's, it's amazing, Regardless of what you say the first of that original movie. It has the best theme song.

Speaker 1 1:39:23

Mark, I'm surprised that you like it or have any interest whatsoever Hating fighting games. It's I. I don't like fighting games. I'm terrible at them. So am I. But that I mean I still enjoy him.

Speaker 4 1:39:34

I'm certainly not good, but I also watch the movie, long before I ever played a Mortal Kombat game.

Speaker 1 1:39:39

So yeah, well, I mean, I don't know, but we've also got Bloodborne Kart, which I this one, I actually don't know anything about. I'll be honest with you, I didn't even know this was a thing.

Speaker 3 1:39:52

So I mean, in short, in short, there was this girl that was developing a game, basically basically like old school Super Mario Raj Bandicoot Kart game, and it was all done in the design and the style of Bloodborne and basically, like she got some traction, some supporters, and then Sony reached out and basically sees and this is, and she's like don't worry, I'm just going to wipe off the Bloodborne branding, they can't do anything after that. So I just thought that you know, people should hear about it because it's a, it's a cool concept and it's going to be. It's going to be interesting to see when it comes out, because not a lot of like. You see, there's a lot of these like D makes that they make like videos of, like they take modern titles, they make a D make out of it. But I thought it was interesting and I think it looks really cool. I think people will enjoy it. So I put it on there just so people can look it up and maybe support the creator when the game comes out.

Speaker 1 1:40:50

Yeah, heck, yeah, that's. That's cool stuff. I'm all for it. We've also got Nintendo. This one, I was kind of not shocked but also like ecstatic for Nintendo files, trademarks for the Gamecube controller. Well, what do you guys think about that? I got my like winners what?

Speaker 4 1:41:07

Okay, on the trade. I'm so confused.

Speaker 1 1:41:13

No, no, no. They filed a new trademark for the for the controller, meaning like a new path, okay, like a new patent for the controller, like, as if you know, they're going to re-release the controller, meaning that it might be coming to switch online. I isn't what my assumption is and they're going to release it like the other ones.

Speaker 4 1:41:32

I thought we already had a controller for the switch for the Gamecube. Am I like mistaken on that?

Speaker 1 1:41:37

No, we only have up the N64 on there, like Gamecube was kind of out of the equation. If that's the case, then yeah, it makes sense. I mean I hope that's the case, like people would go nuts for that Gamecube. Come on, I'll buy a new Gamecube controller all day.

Speaker 4 1:41:54

Arguably it's one of the best controllers of all time.

Speaker 1 1:41:57

It's a great controller and a great library of games.

Speaker 4 1:42:00

It's just really ergonomical in your hands. Obviously it's got its own flaws, because it's the one joystick, but you got to, you got to see stick.

Speaker 1 1:42:07

You got that it doesn't really do anything and it works, it works, it works.

Speaker 4 1:42:12

I mean Metroid Prime, yeah, you had the lock to use the left to move and use the other. Use your the shoulders to lock stuff like that.

Speaker 1 1:42:23

Oh yeah, I might be misremembering, I, but anyway I think. I mean, I think that's cool. If it came to switch online, I think that would be a big deal and bring a lot more sick. I bring a lot more people to switch online. And you know what? Finally, because early on we couldn't say that it was like a great service, but it's like the cheap, it's like nothing you know, for a year pass of Nintendo Switch Online, it's like it's cheap and money bucks or something, yeah, and but of course it should be because like they didn't offer much in the beginning but they finally build up a little catalog of games there and like adding in a GBA and they just had the launch of the Golden Sun games. We're getting like it seems like launches of games every other week at this point.

Speaker 3 1:43:09

So yeah, I'm on, for my comment went over everybody's head because there is another controller we wanted to talk about.

Speaker 1 1:43:15

OK, let's talk about the winner controller. Yeah, yeah, I remember now, I remember now. Ok, all right, everybody was so confused before he gets into that.

Speaker 2 1:43:26

I was a real quick brother again. Unfortunately, boys, I wouldn't have to head up. I got to pick up a few things for tonight. But this has been pleasure, as always, and I can't wait for next week as well.

Speaker 1 1:43:37

Yeah, yeah, sounds good. Looking forward to it hey everyone.

Speaker 2 1:43:41

Congrats. I will thank you. You're going to need it. I got to do a speech, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:43:45

Good luck, man. Well, you got some practice, and so you're good, yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 1:43:50

Yeah, thanks, boys. Yep, have a good night man, have a great night man, peace out.

Embracer Group Layoffs and Xbox Acquisitions' Simplified Title

Speaker 3 1:43:54

Yeah, so I mean we'll go and talk about the wiener controller there and yeah, yeah, essentially Oscar Meyer, which is a great exporter Of the dogs Basically announced that there's going to be a wiener controller and it looks beautiful, it's cute, it's it's average size. Nobody say anything about it. Oh, thank God.

Speaker 1 1:44:17

What? Okay, Hold on. There were other brands too. What are the other brands there? Wasn't just that one we're getting like a hold on. I don't want to pause for audio listeners, but there was a bunch of really interesting weird collaborations for controllers that were all like food based.

Speaker 3 1:44:36

Hyperkin also announced the switch controller case. Themed around Oscar Meyer, hyperkin and I think that's it.

Speaker 1 1:44:44

No, there were. I saw more. For sure, I see what you're talking about. Yeah, there was more. There were other brands. Yeah, yeah, right here, oscar Meyer Kool-Aid Sriracha. I'm looking at the Kraft Mac and cheese and Heinz Ketchup.

Speaker 1 1:45:00

Yeah, yeah, I see it, I see it. I see it Like, come on, man, I got to buy one of those, even if it's just to do a stream or something with a Mac and cheese controller, like. And those hyperkin controllers. I have the Mega man variant of this. This is an upgraded version since that one, but they were called like, the X nine and this one is apparently a better, newer one, but they're legitimately good controllers. Yeah, yeah, they remind me of Super Nintendo with joysticks, essentially so, and Super Nintendo was a, you know, super comfortable controller. But we also got just a couple more things, I believe. Yeah, another big one, unfortunately, if it seems like every single podcast we've had this. But we also had more layoffs with Embracer Group. They laid off 97 people from the. The Eidos division uh, cancels the third installment of Adam Jensen's story after two years of development, according to Bloomberg's article. So 97 people from Eidos, which was not like a big studio.

Speaker 3 1:46:12

So that's a significant recently acquired um because the Embracer Group bought basically the IP of Tomb Raider and um Deus Ex from Square Enix and I was. So I cannot tell you how hyped I was Like I cannot put it in words. First time I played the Deus Ex games two years ago. I played through all five. People don't even know that there's five. There are five. Yeah, we only talk about the two, about the new games. You have the Deus Ex D original title, which came out 1999, pc, and then, yeah, and then Deus Ex Invisible War, which came out in 2003 and it was optimized towards Xbox. Everybody's shed on it. It's still a good game. I think I see why people didn't like it.

Speaker 1 1:46:57

I liked it, but that universe was just insane.

Speaker 3 1:47:01

And then I played the abandoned child, which is Deus Ex. The Fall, which was made for mobile. You could play it on PC. It was a disaster. It was canceled after the first chapter. I still had fun with that.

Speaker 3 1:47:12

And then you have the human revolution, which basically is a prequel which a lot of people don't know Deus Ex Human Revolution is a prequel to the first game. And then you have the continuation of that prequel Human kind Deus Ex man kind, divided, man kind that's yeah, I was going to say that I like that one a lot.

Speaker 3 1:47:31

Yeah, and then there's a cliffhanger, basically like they leave it at this. You know, we're definitely making a third game and like I was so hyped because we didn't hear any news and then Embracer bought the rights to it, Right, and then we almost had like a I think it was a leak that there was another Deus Ex game in the works and then all of a sudden, like I mean, it's not all of a sudden, like it's been happening across the industry completely, but I'm just so sad that this is a thing Like I was looking forward to it. I really hope that they just stopped the development and that it didn't outright cancel it, but you know, it might be what's unfortunate. Yeah, it sucks. It's such a if anybody, you know, if anybody gets a chance or has time, just play through them, so good.

Speaker 4 1:48:16

Yeah, I go ahead, Mark. I was going to say just as a whole cause. I like I didn't even know what Embracer Group was, I didn't know they. I don't know if they were Nordic games at one point or they just own them.

Speaker 3 1:48:27

I think they were always like one of those bigger players that didn't necessarily directly, you know, orchestrate like development and stuff. They were just a big yeah.

Speaker 4 1:48:38

I didn't realize they also. They owned Gearbox as well.

Speaker 1 1:48:41

Do that? I didn't know that either. Okay, I was trying to figure out when that happened. Who else do they own that's? Uh, oh, sing me a song.

Speaker 4 1:48:48

At least the big names. It's THQ, nordic, play, embracer. Embracer owns THQ. Whoever play on, is they own Deep.

Speaker 1 1:48:56

Silver. I'm a fan of Deep Silver games.

Speaker 4 1:49:00

Coffee Stain Amplify. Well, these are like studios that then own other studios.

Speaker 1 1:49:05

Yeah, that's. I mean, that's how it always works. What's it?

Speaker 4 1:49:08

What's it? Arcourts Media, cde Entertainment. Like I didn't realize they were this big of a company. Yeah, like the games is Saber Interactive.

Speaker 1 1:49:16

Dang For sure, that's wild.

Speaker 3 1:49:18

I didn't know all that. Brandon, real quick. Are you guys going to talk about the other stuff? Yeah?

Speaker 1 1:49:25

I mean, yeah, I wanted to mention, you know, a few other things with the Xbox and all that stuff. Yeah, I got a.

Speaker 3 1:49:31

I got a head out, but I'm sure you guys are going to have fun with that. Sorry guys, my baby's been screaming for a little while now. You know what?

Speaker 1 1:49:40

All our audio listeners are going to be very angry at your baby. Just kidding, just kidding.

Speaker 3 1:49:44

You can blame him. I will put his email in the comments down below. So if you have any complaints, please reach out to the PR department. But thank you all. I will see you next week Same time, and you guys have fun.

Speaker 1 1:49:58

All right, see you later, man. Good one, yeah. So I'm looking in the chat. Mark, we've got Mark. I want to hear your thoughts on Embrace and the Xbox acquisitions. I've missed Mark on here a lot. Cyber Larry says I've missed Mark too. Good guy Catching Daisy says love Mark, mark, fans, rise up. Dang. You got a whole fan club in the comments there, man.

Xbox Series X Refresh and Storage

Speaker 4 1:50:24

Good for you. Does that happen when you leave for like almost 10 months?

Speaker 1 1:50:28

Yes, cyber, you know what he stuck around. He was watching all your tail streams. I don't know if you remember that, but yeah, he followed you along there with those streams.

Speaker 4 1:50:39

Yeah, some of them like I don't know if you change names, but I saw Cyber, like for sure. Like that name definitely sounds familiar, but it had been a while if I missed some of the other people.

Speaker 1 1:50:48

He is the one that was asking about you like two weeks ago before you came back on the podcast, so he's the one I was telling you about. So, good guy, good guy and Kurt will say sorry guys, see you all next Friday. Oh, trails, not tails, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 1:51:03

Trails. Yeah, that's where it makes me.

Speaker 1 1:51:06

I was thinking of me playing the last tales game. Okay yeah, trails. So that's a fun game, man. Have you ever gotten back to that, by the way?

Speaker 4 1:51:16

Since the last. I haven't played it since the last stream. Gotcha, I don't know if I'm ever going to even get back to that point, but I was like, I know, on the off chance I ever do get back to streaming. I intentionally haven't haven't touched the game since, but I'm leaving it. I just don't know when that's gonna be.

Speaker 1 1:51:31

Yeah, well, we'll look forward to that time coming around. We've also got the Xbox. Microsoft usually refreshes its console hardware mid cycle, but we know a bit more about the next Xbox than usual, code named Brooklyn. Brooklyn, as in VR, okay, l, I in. For some reason. The next, yeah, one of the odds of the next Xbox series one or series X, I see how I said one. Their name, their naming schemes are terrible I hate their naming schemes.

Speaker 4 1:52:05

Playstation is the only company with a naming scheme that makes sense One, two, three, four, five, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:52:10

I mean Nintendo did it for a bit. Yeah, that's super Nintendo. I feel like was a. You know, if they do like super switch, like I'll be excited cause like it makes sense again. But like we do, we you different? Yeah, they probably will. We screwed them over right, like the name, like a parent going in to buy they're going to think, oh, this is a tablet for the Wii, they don't think it's a new console. So but anyway, on this, it says the next Xbox series X is expected to launch late October, early November of this year. Pricing is expected to be 499, which is the price now, which aligns with the current Xbox series X. But notably, brooklyn should have double the storage, bringing it to two terabytes of building storage. But you lose the disk drive.

Speaker 4 1:52:57

So and I you say that because I was at the best buy like a week ago and I saw them selling just a bunch of disk drives. I'm just like just buy it with the disk drive at that point. Obviously they want to go away from it and I don't agree with why they're doing it, but I kind of get it. But like, if you're going to go full digital even at like you need to massively up the, the storage. Like I think two terabytes is too low, way too low.

Speaker 1 1:53:19

If you play war zone, like millions and millions of people that's going to take, that takes up half a terabyte. I've had it on my consoles, both of them. It takes up so much space and just like you know, and then even like Fortnite Fortnite's a relatively big game, not as big as war zone, but like things like that. You know things that a lot of people play are, you know, huge games.

Speaker 4 1:53:41

Like when I played Elder Scrolls online on console on my PlayStation. That's pretty much. You need a hundred gigabytes of free space for that game. Yeah, it doesn't always take up the full, but for the updates and everything else, the game partitions, essentially a hundred gigabytes. But games get pretty big Even at you know, 50 gigabytes. That adds up relatively quickly.

Speaker 4 1:54:00

Yeah, I mean it's significantly cheaper with hardware now and the SSDs, I don't see why eventually, you know you should be getting closer to five or 10 terabyte, or at least an option to have you know 10 terabytes, you know well, the PS5 already, um what I think.

Speaker 1 1:54:18

One of their updates is now supporting six terabytes. I want to say so they're. They're supporting a significant amount. Xbox is different in the fact that they have the proprietary ones. They I don't. You don't have a series X, right? I can't remember?

Speaker 4 1:54:32

No, I don't. I don't have a need to buy an Xbox. I can play all their games on PC. Okay, and over a point to get it.

Speaker 1 1:54:38

So their um SSD is a proprietary, like plug and play that you plug out of the back of the console, so it's like literally essentially like a memory card. That's what they look like, so they're proprietary. Now they have there is now officially one other company that's making them finally, but they were making them under one company, so they add them, like you know, under lockdown and it took a long time. The prices are still more expensive than just getting a regular M.2 SSD that you can get for the PS five. Like they've dropped, like they're. They're much cheaper than they were in 2020. When I've upgraded and got a one terabyte for the PS five, because that's all it supported One terabyte SSD it was like like a hundred and seventy dollars, it was like one sixty nine, ninety nine and it was the PlayStation, like um, not branded, but like they supported it, like it had PlayStation branding on it, yeah, so it was like I forget what brand, whatever, but it's a rip off when I can get normal SSD for my PC.

Speaker 4 1:55:44

at that price I could get like five terabytes realistically.

Speaker 1 1:55:47

Yeah, I mean at this point like, yeah, they've dropped significantly, so in the Xbox proprietary SSDs are still up there in price. So I, to me, this is not a, not a trade off. That, I think, is if you have a series X already. To me, unless we find out more information in it, that does have beefier hardware, which I'm semi doubtful on if this is going to be their new flagship console. I don't know, because we're looking at the PS five pro, Like that's been talked about as as if we're getting it this year and that might be you know what February they might announce that, they might mention it and I can see it coming.

Speaker 1 1:56:29

We're, you know, we're nearing four years in at this point, so it makes sense, we're at that point. So a refresh of this to just remove the disk drive and add one terabyte, to me does not really make sense unless it's just to be a slim. A slim I mean the. The series X is like a standup console to me, like looking at the image that we have, it doesn't look any smaller unless you know we just can't tell the size, but other than it being circular or not square, like I'm comparing them now, I what? What is the upgrade? What's the upgrade? There is none, because the series X is backwards, compatible with every.

Speaker 4 1:57:10

Xbox. Yeah, unless you're buying a new console is like the first time. That might be worth it, but without the disk drive, a backwards compatibility doesn't exist, as essentially that's.

Speaker 1 1:57:21

that's the thing.

Speaker 1 1:57:22

They were the ones doing all that the best. Because, like, this can play original Xbox discs. Like, for God's sakes, like, why would you want to swap it out? Um, I mean for you, like you're, you know, you said you can play all your stuff on PC. That would be the prime reason if you were interested to own the console is because the backwards compatibility, like play your favorite 360 games and and they're all upgraded, all every one of those that are supported for their, because they had a whole program. It was literally called the backwards compatibility program. Every single one of those is upgraded in some way, whether it's frame rate, performance or visuals, whatever those original Xbox games I played some.

Speaker 1 1:58:04

Uh, there's a game called Advent Rising. I played it. I looked at the images of, like the base game, huge upgrade, like significantly ran better and looked better and I'm like this, this is awesome, like that is my favorite reason to own that is the backwards compatibility. I want to be able to go back and play my favorite 360 games. I liked that, um, this to me losing the disk drive and adding one terabyte. If that's all that this is, and it's literally a console refresh. You know we always get like the. We got the PS four slim, we got the PS three slim and super slim. So like it's not unheard of to get, you know, a new refresh console that's not really upgraded, um, but, but this is this one's weird to me. I, I don't, I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me personally.

Speaker 4 1:58:53

So they're going to do what Sony's doing. Here's a disk drive, non disk drive, but we're just going to resell you the disk drive for the price of that difference.

Speaker 1 1:59:01

The problem is is that the things that Phil Spencer said being beautifully all digital? I mean that right there, saying all digital to me, this image does not show a spot for a disk drive attachment, so I am very doubtful that they are doing that whatsoever.

Speaker 4 1:59:20

They're probably going away from it, but, unless you know, there's a significant backlash and they there's a sales drop. They're just going to go this way because it's just easier for them to control prices. Second hand market doesn't exist anymore, so they can just eat. It's all about, you know, maximizing profits. Yes, and this is nothing to do with what the customers want, cause you have the option for both, you know, and the customer chooses digital. That's one thing, and I think that's why I'm forcing people to go down this path. The only way to essentially say no to this is just be like I'm not buying these new consoles if you're going to go full digital, like I'll just opt out. But I don't think enough people are going to opt out on something like that for it to really make a difference?

Speaker 1 1:59:58

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the truth of the matter is, we know that. I can't remember the actual number, but it is up there. It's like like 85% of gamers are all digital now they, they just don't care. I'll look up the actual number while we're talking but, like I, for most people this is not going to be a concern, and I think that's why they had announced and one maybe the beginning of 2023 that they stopped the backwards compatibility program. They said here's, here's, 170 more games that are supported. We're done, we're stopping the program, probably because they knew they were doing this.

Speaker 1 2:00:39

My thought is that they um, they really don't care about the console market and they are all about game pass because it is available in so many places, and I mean we're. It's available on TVs, like built into TVs, samsung TVs, now smart TVs have game pass on them. There's another brand of TVs that also have game pass. Your phone can play game pass, your steam deck can play game pass, rogueli, everything can play game pass. And I and that's what they're pushing I mean Xbox live gold doesn't exist anymore, so they don't give the free games every month anymore.

Speaker 1 2:01:16

They stopped that. So this has got to be a sign right Like that hey, we're putting out this console, it's all digital and I feel like after this generation, um, I think that Xbox moves away from the console and potentially offers like a streaming device, but doesn't care about the console market. We hear the rumors of of of game pass coming to the switch to um, we've heard it for a while coming to the original switch. Um, I bet if Nintendo agreed to that immediately, they would do it. That's a whole new market.

Speaker 4 2:01:47

Well, cause essentially that the Xbox market doesn't exist anymore at that point and it just gets absorbed by the other two consoles, more or less so that if they're going to go that route and I was a tender I'll be like, oh, absolutely, I can triple my, my console sales or double my sales significantly. Yeah, that seems like a win-win for Nintendo. They'll just add it on to their subscription price and then rake in the money.

Speaker 1 2:02:09

Well, it's a one win for both. Right Cause they lose money on the series X. Um it may, they may be making it cheaper now, but I mean just just about every console in history. Like the companies lose money on the console and they make money on the software sales, like the PS five, they lose a lot of money Like they don't make, make any money Like 20 to 30 years.

Speaker 4 2:02:33

It, it, yeah, the feeling that Microsoft is going to go the the Sega route and just bow out of the console racing, just go software.

Speaker 1 2:02:41

Um, I think they're just going to go game pass, I think they just want to be a subscription service. And, um, I will tell you for me, if it were not for the backwards compatibility, I own two physical series X games and the reason for that is because if you look at the cover, um, if it says smart delivery on it, that means that the game is not on the disc, and that is like 70% of Xbox series X dip discs. So I own two because those are the only two that I've found and gotten that are actually on the disc. Yeah, so they're keys, essentially, and like that, that's another like telltale sign that like, hey, we, we don't really care about physical, like we, you know, it's just not.

Comparing Handheld vs Console Gaming

Speaker 4 2:03:26

I guess, cause. Obviously there's a lot of speculation, but if Microsoft just bows out of the console race, does that open. Obviously now it's a two man, a two man race. At that point Does somebody else decide to to to fill in and be like take a shot at a console? Because if, if Microsoft in 10 years doesn't do, just goes full software, there's a huge void there that somebody might try to fill. Obviously that market's going to primarily go to switch and probably more, more than likely go to go to Sony as far as the console market is. But that would open an opportunity for somebody else if they wanted to take a shot at at being a being a console producer.

Speaker 1 2:04:03

Yeah, I mean, I think, um, see you, here's the difference, I think, with Sega to Xbox, when you make that comparison. Well, what's funny is that the original Xbox is essentially the Dreamcast too. All the games that were being developed for the Dreamcast got moved over and they made a partnership with Xbox during that time. So an Xbox uses I forget the original Xbox, I forget what hardware or whatever that was within the Dreamcast. Anyway, like, the thought is is that the Xbox is the Dreamcast too. So that makes sense, and I think that, um, the difference with Sega versus Xbox and the console race is that it's not the same game. It's. There's still game pass if it's on the other machines, and they're they're creating their games. They bought all these studios. They're not doing away with releasing games anytime soon. They just spent billions of dollars on studios. I mean, during COVID they acquired how many studios like, like all Ford.

Speaker 4 2:05:07

All I'm saying is, if you're going the route, if you eventually want, just want to go the software route, you're not going to care where it goes, you're just going to offer it. Yeah, because it makes the most sense. Yeah, so in theory and I have no idea what's going to happen what's going to happen Microsoft might still just stay in the console race with just a digital only console. But I mean in theory, you know, somebody could try to like make a deal like I don't know, maybe Nvidia wants to get into the console market. Try to, who knows? Well, I mean, that's probably not going to happen, it's just pulling, pulling stuff out of my ass. But just somebody potentially might be like well, let's take a shot, see what happens.

Speaker 1 2:05:44

Well, you know who's really competing with these consoles right now. All the handhills, handhills have made a massive resurgence.

Speaker 4 2:05:53

I mean, yeah to be fair, it's really only two companies Nintendo, which has done it for forever, and they're never going to lose that. And then you've got the steam deck, primarily just because you have access to that steam library and to steam sales and that PC market.

Speaker 1 2:06:08

But it's not just the rogue ally. Is is outselling the steam deck. And then you've got the new, the new handheld coming out. That's supposed to be better than the rogue ally. By what PC manufacturer they produce? Some kind of card, I can't remember what it's called. But there's a new hand out we talked about the week before you you joined. That's going to be coming out and it's like it's the ASUS rogue allies that you're thinking of.

Speaker 1 2:06:37

No, that's the one I'm talking about now. That's the one that's outselling the steam deck, so there's the one to search, and I was like oh, asus.

Speaker 4 2:06:43

Yeah, I know them from from PC parts.

Speaker 1 2:06:45

But you know rogue ally like raving reviews. I know a bunch of people that have a rogue ally and absolutely love it. And it's expensive. So is the steam deck. But yeah, the rogue ally is more expensive, but it's also significantly more expensive, significantly more powerful than the steam deck as well. But it's selling out, selling the steam deck even at that price point for now.

Speaker 4 2:07:10

But I mean, like, how many competitors have come and gone and they might see initial success but then it just kind of kind of dies off with a whimper. As far as I'm concerned, nintendo will forever be the king of handhelds because, yeah, such in a long term investment in that market and they've got the games that will only ever be in that market, that most people want them, for 100%, 100%. Yeah, I'm good supplemental for some of these companies. At the very least it's it's less expensive than a full console to at least dabble and see if you can't make it profitable for you.

Speaker 1 2:07:43

Oh, here's what I think, the MSI claw if you want to look that up, that is the new one that is going to be the competitor to the steam deck, switch and rogue ally. So this one's supposed to be slightly more powerful than the rogue ally, but we also know that we are going to be getting a rogue ally too at some point. But the MSI claw looks it looks amazing. Just just the form factor alone, I think, looks really, really cool and I am genuinely excited about handhelds making such a look. Let me put it this way A lot of people that that I follow or talk to, or other content creators, a lot of them are playing all their games on these handhelds because they're powerful, they can play in bed, they can play wherever they want, right, they could play PC level games wherever they want and they're really like pushing the limits to.

Speaker 1 2:08:41

You know, competing with PCs and competing with consoles. And the steam deck, as you know, as a doc, so you can play it like a console. The I think the ASUS has a doc too. I don't know that one for sure, but I know the MSI claw is going to have a doc too. So it's, it's a, it's a hybrid, just like to switch.

Speaker 4 2:09:02

I'll say this in it, because it's one bay by MSI, ones based by ASUS Right, if I'm not missing it either. One thing that makes sense these are hardware. These are companies that only produce hardware.

Speaker 1 2:09:14

Yeah.

Speaker 4 2:09:14

Yeah, it kind of makes sense where it's like oh, we already make this hardware, we can just tweak it. It doesn't cost us any extra money compared to someone like Microsoft who has to. They don't make this hardware, they have to buy it all. So I guess it kind of makes sense. These companies that like well, we already make something similar, we can tweak it. Yeah, it minimizes the cost because we're already producing all this already. Yeah, and then it's essentially it's just an extension of the PC market, because that's what we're, what we're already invested in, that's exactly what it is. That's once you, once we brought these two and doesn't like all right, this makes a lot of sense that it's these hardware companies that are branching out and maybe they'll eventually replace Sony, eventually, who knows? I mean. I mean look.

Speaker 1 2:09:52

I think that's what. I think that is one of the reasons that this rumor with a dedicated PlayStation handheld is coming up. They spot the resurgence of these handhelds Like these are massively popular. I mean, I'm telling you, I see them everywhere within content. Like they are very popular. People love these handhelds and like the ASUS Rolg ally I hear I hear nothing about the Steam Deck anymore. If it weren't for the Steam Deck OLED coming out, I wouldn't even hear the name anymore. I just don't hear it. I don't hear about it. You've got the image with this guy.

Speaker 4 2:10:26

I was going to say this this feels like we're getting to a point where the idea of a console is dead and it's just people that make games and then hardware that you didn't play whatever game you want on. Yeah, because it's everything's just bleeding into the PC market and the PC market is just extending by either streaming or handhelds. Well, it's kind of where the market's going outside of Nintendo, because God knows they're never going to let that go.

Speaker 1 2:10:50

Right.

Speaker 1 2:10:50

And then here's the other thing too. I mean, like it's not even just those, like we've got. I'm looking some stuff up Like we know that a Steam Deck 2 is coming. Like officially we know a Rolg ally 2 is coming. These are selling so well that obviously they're getting successors pretty quickly. But also there isn't just these companies, weirdly. There are companies that are selling like the. They're not just like straight up devices that have a bunch of games on them, they are like essentially smaller PCs at a cheaper price point. So the Aeonio is a big company in that lane where it can play, you know, like games up to like PS2 or whatever, and they're selling very, very, very well. Like. Here's a new one from Aeonio. It's called the Aeonio Pocket DMG and it seemed, they said, announcing a new handheld almost every week. This company, at least it feels that way the latest tease from the company regarding the remake initiative, which won't conclude, the Aeonio's updated take on the Nintendo Game Boy called the Pocket DMG. But obviously this is a system that can play all these other games and they're getting up to the point where they can get past like, like PS2. Like they're getting very close to being able to play like PS3 games. And I don't want to disregard all these other handouts, like there's a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 2:12:17

The Aeonio Flip was just announced. It's like a DS. If you look it up right now it looks there. There's two versions. There's one that looks like a DS with two screens and then there's a version that's literally a pocket PC with a keyboard and two joysticks, like literally a pocket PC and like these are. These are meant to be the size of portables that actually put in your pocket and take with you. So it's interesting Like we're getting a handheld that looks like the DS that will be able to play DS and 3DS games. So like we are at a handheld resurgence.

Speaker 1 2:12:56

I mean, that's not even all. On Aeonio slide, the Aeonio next to Aeonio, next light, the orange pie, pocket man P1. So I mean, like you know, these are on the level of, like the Steam Deck or the MSI claw, but the Steam Deck OLED looks pretty cool. So that's kind of a cool refresh. Oled screens are a bigger upgrade than people give them credit for. Like the, the Switch OLED, the difference between the Switch OLED and the original switch. You can't go back. Like it looks. It looks really good in handheld mode.

Speaker 4 2:13:32

It's just a nicer screen, really all it is, but it's not worth the money to upgrade.

Speaker 1 2:13:36

But it's not significantly more money. I think it's worth it, in my opinion.

Speaker 4 2:13:41

Well, maybe if you already, I don't think it's worth it.

Speaker 1 2:13:44

I upgraded, but I sold my Switch at a price point that was pretty close to retail, so I I found it worth doing and I wanted to be able to have access to. It's got a built in ethernet adapter so you don't have to buy the piece. It's got a redesigned dock so it doesn't have that terrible back to it. It's got a redesigned kickstand, so you got a full stand instead of the you know there was. There were some other features to it too but I also primarily play mine docked.

Speaker 4 2:14:13

So it is really no point, unless there's significant hardware upgrades, to buy the new one. Yeah, that's fair, I mean I can point. You know, might as well wait the. With the next year or two we're going to get the next, next, next switch or whatever we get from the Nintendo, next console from them. So yeah it's worth just waiting, at least for me.

Speaker 1 2:14:32

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean I get it, I totally get it. It's it's a handheld resurgence time. We also got A and D announces that you no longer need a GPU to play video games. The Ryzen 8000 G series is going to make PC gaming affordable again.

Speaker 4 2:14:51

So this is it got that unaffordable. Obviously, you had to shop around and you weren't going to get the top the line stuff. But this doesn't surprise me with, especially when you deal with handheld gaming. Obviously it all between phones and handheld that stuff has to be integrated together because you don't have the space for it. Yeah, but as far as, like you know, just low level, affordable something, the entry level, that makes sense, but it's never going to match what you can do with a dedicated GPU. I mean, those things are massive as is, but if you're just trying to make it affordable to get more people into the market, yeah, it makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 2:15:22

Yeah, yeah, I mean. Yeah, it makes sense, you get expensive, they do, I mean.

Speaker 4 2:15:28

I bought my 30 series about two months ago. I spent like $500 on it or something like that, or between $400 or $500, and that's not even top of the line.

Speaker 1 2:15:37

What GPU? So what's that? What kind of GPU did you get? Tell us your full, your full upgrade on your like, what? All this way, don't screw anything. Yeah, no worries, no worries.

Speaker 4 2:15:47

I build a whole new one from scratch.

Discussion on PC Hardware and Upgrades

Speaker 1 2:15:50

Yeah, Cause we got we got PC listeners that definitely are interested in hearing about that.

Speaker 4 2:15:55

And I could afford that, could play with it, because I was looking to the point where it's like I'm hitting barely hitting minimum specs on all my games with, like especially with that TMI and stuff like that it's or I'll pull it up faster on my phone.

Speaker 1 2:16:08

Yeah, no worries. Yeah, I mean it definitely makes sense. I'm all for making it more affordable because I need to get a desktop badly, not even just for gaming, just in general for what we do in this podcast. But yeah, I mean I'm all for whatever makes it more affordable. And you know, I need to jump in. For me I need to jump in at a sort of higher tier than the most I'm not. You know, when you're 4k editing and rendering video, it takes a lot more than gaming at some point.

Speaker 4 2:16:47

So as far as the P, not some of the other accessories about it. I spent about $1,500 on this, so I got the. I got the I seven 147 K. It's one of the newer. It's not the top, the best CPU, but it's a 14th gen one, so it's one of the newer ones that just came out, but it's 20 courts, not too bad.

Speaker 4 2:17:05

My motherboards, a gigabyte Z790. Nice, I mean, I couldn't go into depth about you know what a motherboard does specifically, but it's. It does money to do. My actual GP GP is the gigabyte RTX 47. No, I got a, did I get? I got a 4070. I thought I got the 30 series but no, I guess I got a 40 series. I think I was really shopping for a 30 series, but I guess the extra price for the 4070 wasn't that bad. So it's a 4070, 12 gigabytes. I spent about five, 50 on it. Pretty tax, but I mean it's still not, I think. No, I know what happened. I was talking with somebody else and I was like 10 of the 3090s still more powerful than the 4070, even though it's generation old, but that's how explain?

Speaker 1 2:17:47

explain that.

Speaker 4 2:17:48

I'd have to pull it up off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 2:17:50

I don't remember exactly what the difference it just seems weird that an older generation would be more powerful.

Speaker 4 2:17:57

Is it? I got to pull it up, I just can't remember. Off the top of my head, it has to do with the hardware and what it can do, gotcha.

Speaker 1 2:18:04

I wish I knew. You know I'm going to be diving into the.

Speaker 4 2:18:08

that's one of my goals this year is the PC realm, so I can speak on it and then obviously I just end up with something with with someone with clocking and overclocking and all that jazz overclocking I think it's not not worth it really, unless you're unless you're you really want that extra little it's going to give you.

Speaker 1 2:18:28

I do know a lot of people that the overclocker stuff comes to hardware.

Speaker 4 2:18:32

I know that base. The problem with overclocking is first, we got to know what you're doing when you're overclocking. And second of all, you do shorten the lifespan of the hardware when you overclock Like it's not going to last as long as you can make it. But if you've got money yeah, I've heard that You're in you can afford to overclock it. You're going to be able to upgrade a few years earlier. Anyways, where I'm going to get the, I'm going to get as much as I can out of my, out of my hardware.

Speaker 1 2:18:55

I got you. Yeah, essentially you're, you're burning up your hardware when you're you're overclocking. You're going to it's good.

Speaker 4 2:19:02

So I love the fact that RAM's gotten cheaper. I spent $100 on 32 gigs of RAM, essentially two 16 sticks, which was I'm going from 16 to 32. That was a boost. That's really the big thing. I ended up getting the fractal actual tower just because I wanted something that was a little bit quieter, and they're really. The fractal brand is apparently really good as far as airflow, because obviously that's what matters most with PC airflow. You got good airflow. As far as the actual tower is, your fans are going to spin not as fast and obviously it's just going to be sure all the way around. That makes sense, I think.

Speaker 4 2:19:36

I think the the between the 30 70 and the 40 70, it was a negligible. It's like $50 to $100 more. So it was like ah, it's, I get a little bit more out of it. But yeah, I'd have to. I know technically the 30 90 outperforms the 40 70, obviously the 40 90 is better, but I it'd take me a second to actually go in and figure out exactly why I bought it. I probably could have told you, but it's I only really go deep into hardware when I'm upgrading, so I just yeah, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 4 2:20:01

That makes sense. It's kind of like I don't think nebulous is the right word that I'm thinking of, but it's not. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a PC repair guy, so it's like I don't. This is knowledge I don't need to just know constantly up top of my head.

Speaker 1 2:20:14

Yeah that I mean. That's fair, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 2:20:17

I mean, I got a decent good setup. I can play modern games at like a deep, maybe not at ultra, the top settings, but at a high setting, and it really cost me about $15. You just have to shop around and make sure your your stuff fits. Try to find those, those sales where you can.

Speaker 4 2:20:30

Yeah, yeah, I mean, that makes, that makes sense, and PC can get more expensive, but you can make it last almost as long as a console cycle as long as you don't have any. Any you know issues with your, with your hardware and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 2:20:44

How long did you have your previous PC?

Speaker 4 2:20:47

I built my previous one in 20, I guess I think it was early 2018. It was I built mine right before the 20 series graphics cards came out. So the so the 1070 was, you know, as good as I could get pretty much on an on an affordable level, I know, at the time.

Speaker 1 2:21:04

Did you see the? I think it was. I don't know if it's AMD. Whoever put out the graphics cards, a super series that's. That's coming out for the 40, 4080, 4090, 4070, they're all getting a super series.

Speaker 4 2:21:22

I hurts. I didn't look into it, obviously, I just built it, so I'm not. I'm not going to be upgrading for right, you know at least five years at this point. But I think I heard some about it, but I was like I don't really care, I just I just upgraded my stuff, so I don't. It's kind of irrelevant right now, but I heard some about that.

Speaker 1 2:21:36

I think it's interesting cause obviously the the next line of a graphics cards are going to be launching soon, so they're launching those before the new ones, it's like. But you get you get new series.

Speaker 4 2:21:48

like almost every year there's a new upgrade, like the hardware upgrades so fast it's like you know. We just got the 40 series Now, we're going to get the next upgrade next year and then probably the 50 series by the fall in year. However, the cycle is that that stuff is is always constantly upgrading.

Speaker 1 2:22:01

Cyber Larry said I have an old 30 70 that still runs a lot of current current games at highest graphics. So 30 70 isn't that old right?

Speaker 4 2:22:11

No, it's like four or five years, it's only a generation back from the 40 series, which a lot of that stuff just came out. So I mean I almost got it in, but I was like out of 40, 70, it's not that much more expensive when I bought it around Black Friday. So I was like I'll just upgrade a little bit more. But yeah, I mean sometimes the, the CPU, is just as important, if not more in some areas, because obviously your GPU you know most games are GPU intensive but they can get CPU intensive depending on what you're doing. So obviously you need to make sure you know you're not bottlenecking anywhere, if you can kind of like afford it. But yeah, deep into what my not actual knowledge is, right now.

Speaker 1 2:22:47

I get it.

Speaker 4 2:22:47

I built this new PC and then my CPU actually was dying on me brand new, oh God. I eventually paid the 70 bucks to take it to a shop Cause like there's nothing more that I could do, like I don't know what's wrong with it. Like obviously I was not. I wasn't thinking it was an actual hardware issue, or I was hoping it wasn't. But I was like if this is a hardware issue, I need somebody to actually tell me what's wrong with it. That way, if I need to replace a part and luckily I was able to send it back and get a new, new replacement no extra cost. But I was good, that's good.

Speaker 4 2:23:16

I mean yeah if it had waited another month or two to die. I'm out for $500 and have to buy a new CPU. That would have been terrible.

Speaker 1 2:23:23

Yeah, no doubt I mean. Before I move on the next, the news. Do we have any comments that I've pulled up at the moment? Yeah, it's going to pull up the other news that we had just going all over the place on this.

Speaker 4 2:23:36

Here's a small little sentence about something happens and then it becomes like a 10 minute conversation on something else.

Speaker 1 2:23:41

Oh yeah, I mean it is what it is. I did want to shout out Ed ones video games is in here and give him a subscribe. He is in the upcoming collab for the channel here soon. We've got a nice collab coming out with seven or eight people, so I appreciate that. And he said love the sonic poster in the background. Cyber said that that type of PC will definitely run the earliest trails games.

Speaker 4 2:24:07

Yeah, my old PC could run them just fine, like eight years old at this point or six somewhere in that.

Speaker 1 2:24:13

Were you playing on PC trails when you were playing it? Were you playing on PC?

Speaker 4 2:24:16

Yeah, because I had to get on steam, I don't know. Oh, okay, I think they're available on console or you have to get an old one, but no, yeah, it's. I don't remember which which one you're playing, you see there wasn't necessarily anything wrong with it, it's just I can't, couldn't play newer games on it. I could, probably would still run for several years on older games, but I was hitting a point where it's like you just can't play any. Yeah, that's fair. 24 and onward pretty much.

Speaker 1 2:24:39

That's fair. And then we've also got Ed Edwin said you're welcome. Escalated said Mark, are you a console or retro gamer? Long pause there.

Speaker 4 2:24:49

Offsoul than retro. There's a handful of older games that I like, but they I primarily play like playing newer games.

Collecting Retro Games and Gaming Preferences

Speaker 1 2:24:56

All right. Do you play any retro? I know you still got like you still got some retro games and stuff in your collection.

Speaker 4 2:25:02

I consider the trails retro. I mean they're probably pushing 20 years old, some of the older ones.

Speaker 1 2:25:06

At this point, you know you got, you got other stuff. Yeah, Pokemon, games and stuff.

Speaker 4 2:25:11

Most of the older games that I play are games like play growing up, so there's like nostalgia to that. But there's a lot Most old retro games I really don't have an interest in playing, to be fair.

Speaker 1 2:25:21

That's fair. I mean whatever, I mean.

Speaker 4 2:25:23

I didn't. I grew up with like one or two consoles and like five games on each, yeah, so I got became pretty much an adult. So that's that's fair. I'm out with that.

Speaker 1 2:25:32

I mean, that's where I was at. I had to swap out all the time. Once I started making my own money early on, I started I started collecting right at the end of the GBA era because I started mowing lawns and doing stuff like that. So I saved up money and money on a computer business. So funny enough, funny enough. This is semi kind of related. I stopped at, I took video and it's in my story on Facebook. I took video of where they they took down our old elementary school and it's just wild seeing I put in the video. I said I'm sending this to Mark and I haven't got to send it to you yet. But I said, right, here is where we used to sell the shade.

Speaker 4 2:26:15

All the trees are still there, the fences, I remember seeing pictures with their auction off some of the play stuff. I saw some of that. I was like obviously it was, it was about to happen. That building needed to be. It was old, it was old. Yeah, there's some good memories there.

Speaker 1 2:26:29

Yeah, there's. That's why I said I said I never like school, but I made a lot of good memories that you know will stick with me forever. So that was, that was something interesting. I was on my way back home from an appointment and happened to go that way. I was like, let me stop and get some video. Real quick. I want to, I want to chat about this, but I also got real quick. We got it's old. If you're keeping up with all of them.

Speaker 1 2:26:52

Ask ladies said Brandon, what are you collecting now? And ask you guys are, I think they're saying, are you playing anything right right now? Are we playing anything Collecting wise? Honestly, like right now I'm just sort of with with new games, playing new games. I've got access to the Everdrys for retro stuff, so I've made the. I'm actually going to make a video on it but I made the decision to start selling off some stuff to fund it towards PC and upgrading equipment, getting a new mic, getting just everything that I need to get. So that is one thing.

Speaker 1 2:27:28

As far as collecting, it's just literally finding deals on like switch and PS5 games from Twitter, because I find games for 10, 15 bucks all day long, so like there's deals to get tweeted out and like legitimately. That's pretty much all I get right now. If there's a new game coming out that I really want, really want to play, I'll grab that, but mostly that's it. Haven't gotten anything Retro besides the Everdrys here. Recently I've got a couple of products I'm going to be covering for retro consoles, but yeah, I mean collecting wise. Just, you know, like if I find deals out and about or something which there's like you know it's winter, there's no yard sales, I'll pick stuff up. But that's kind of where I'm at right now. Say there's a bunch of comments. Again, mark, I'm offering to share my stream library to Mark. I've decided the tails, trails, trails you said to portray specifically.

Speaker 4 2:28:27

Maybe, maybe Yakuza said I actually I do have one of the like a dragon games that I bought for PS5 is still sitting in the wrapper, but I've got really good back library. I do want to want to own and play all the other other trails games. It's just going to take a while. I myself have a long game library that I'm just kind of playing free time.

Speaker 1 2:28:46

Yeah, my backlogs are ridiculous and I'm not even talking retro, like I've got a legitimate list in my game. I have the next retro games I want to play and then when you add in new stuff that's coming out that I want to play and like it's nice to play something new, I really like the relevancy and being able to especially for the podcast now, right, like I want to be able to talk about stuff. So if there's something I really want, I'm going to grab it so I can talk about it and then potentially do a video on it. But that's kind of like where I'm at. Like, honestly, that's to be able to cover stuff. And if it's something I like and really want to get, then you know I'll grab it.

Speaker 1 2:29:27

But yeah, as far as that goes, speaking of which it looks like somebody's asking about it and I was actually going to bring it up the new Yakuza, can you talk about it? So this game is doing the one that just came out just came out like to just came out recently. I have to type it. I forget the full title of it it's Yakuza. I am sorry Audio listeners, I am current and infinite wealth. Yeah, yeah, it says sets at the infinite wealth sets a Yakuza game in America which is really interesting to me that they're bringing this franchise, like if it was like more like a Hawaii type thing or like a coastal like California, florida type thing.

Speaker 4 2:30:13

That's the, that's the feel like God was some of the some of the screenshots that I saw or some of the videos, but I mean it's at almost 3000 views on Steam. It's got a very high rating. So Hawaii.

Discussion on Gaming Reviews and Trustworthiness

Speaker 1 2:30:24

Yeah, no, I've heard, I've heard nothing negative looking at it, is there anything negative that?

Speaker 4 2:30:29

you see, I don't know how steam reviews work, so the only thing that I saw negative, that people didn't like, was apparently New Game Plus is luck behind a paywall for that game?

Speaker 1 2:30:38

Oh, that's the only thing I've heard from it. Dang, that, that's a bummer.

Speaker 4 2:30:43

Change on that, but that's the only negative thing I've heard about it. As far as the game itself, I've heard nothing but positive things about it.

Speaker 1 2:30:50

Yeah, it makes me really want to play it. But there's also like some other stuff coming up that I want to play, that I know I'm grabbing for sure.

Speaker 4 2:30:58

And as far as me, like I always go to Steam reviews because there it's a really good gauge on what the actual so the critic is. Their opinion means absolutely nothing to me, but what the actual general audience thinks. It's a very good, good gauge of whether the game is good or low.

Speaker 1 2:31:13

That's why I like Metacritic, because it pulls in Steam reviews too. And then you get in that straight to the source. Well, I mean, that pulls in.

Speaker 4 2:31:22

Because then I can actually read what people are writing about the game.

Speaker 1 2:31:24

But you can on Metacritic as well, and I mean it pulls in all of those. So I mean I'm not you know whatever, like you can look up whatever, but I mean it does pull in Steam reviews for games that are on Steam and it gauges, you know, for user reviews you can get both, but it gives you an even better gauge, I feel like, because here's the reason why I would rather check there because you're missing all the actual like this adds in, like the actual video game news sites, so like go Nintendo that you know I work with, like the small guys, like it brings in everybody.

Speaker 4 2:32:00

It seems negative or cynical. I don't. I don't trust any kind of news review site that's like does reviews as far as the, the whole game? Journalists fear just because, you know, been burned a few times. There's been a lot of drama within that community, but I just want to hear from the community itself. That's why I trust that more.

Speaker 1 2:32:19

Well go, nintendo is not like that is as independent as it gets. So yeah, I mean, but you know, I'll say this exactly.

Speaker 4 2:32:26

I don't know if Metacritic does it as well, but as far as on top of what, I can see what people wrote. As far as steam reviews, I can see how much time they've actually spent on the game. Like this one dude wrote a review but he's got 77 hours in the game. So like, oh yeah, you've invested, you know, good portion, yeah, this game, like I can trust that. Or if it's like somebody puts a negative review on it but they played point two hours, or your opinion means very little, or to nothing, because you may have played the game but you didn't actually really play it.

Speaker 1 2:32:50

Yeah, I was actually looking here to myself. I mean that that's true. I get it Like it's this on.

Speaker 4 2:32:57

some of them will say, like one review it's got 77.5 hours on record but 14 hours on time of when they actually wrote the review, like it gives me detailed information. Do people find it funny how many people found this review helpful and stuff like that just gives me, you know, a review. Plus, it's fair. I was really honest, truthful way of really gauging what people actually think about the game. Because sometimes I get.

Speaker 4 2:33:19

the other criticism with game journals is oh, I have a week or two to binge the crap out of this game and write a review. They don't always necessarily really play the game, have time to really go in depth. As far as I'm, I agree. Like that's where you get the crap words like up head too hard. Like that's not a, that's not a review. That's just just what I know off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 2:33:39

Yeah, I mean like I feel a little bit differently about a lot of the independent guys that I know personally, but I get what you're saying. I get it Like if you're talking like an IGN or GameSpot or stuff like that, like that's what most people consider as a whole. Yeah, see, I'm thinking, I'm not thinking those guys. I see, I bless you, they're almost mainstream news. They don't, they don't just cover video games anymore.

Speaker 4 2:34:03

So like that's the bigger issue with those, because sometimes it's like, well, are you going to be Without a or you know cares about gaming? They just want to get into. You know the news cycle. This was just easy. So Marina review about somebody who's not even really passionate about gaming to begin with, which I feel like is a little criticism of that whole industry, which is where either you go to the YouTube reviews from YouTubers that you trust and actually you can actually watch them play the game, or you know you've got, you know, the audience reviews from people that actually you know spent significant amount of time actually playing the game.

Speaker 1 2:35:00

Yeah, I mean that that that makes sense and, like with some of those review sites, obviously they have like that crunch so they they don't spend the time with the game like like you actually should. So I know what I mean is is?

Speaker 4 2:35:14

is? Is Ijin getting paid to give them a decent review, not a tear review? Is there? Is there paid for access? Is it like we'll let you review this game but if you give them a bad review we're going to blacklist you from reviewing games in the future? You have to know that happens with some of these within the industry. One, one hour percent, some stuff, unless it's like egregiously bad and everyone kind of agree it's a bad game. That's just like I just there's enough there where I don't really trust your opinion so I'm not going to go to you. For for gaming, maybe 20 years ago you were trustworthy, today and not not really.

Speaker 1 2:35:48

Yeah, I agree with you and, like Ijin is, is different than and now some of these places are the worst but they're not.

Speaker 1 2:35:57

No, no, kitaku might be the worst, they are the worst. Yeah, kitaku is pretty bad. I was like pulling up Metacritic because I was curious again to double check and like, for instance, if you're looking at video game news sites you can look at both user scores and and whatnot. But it's funny to me, ijin they pull in Ijin and Benelux, wherever that one's located, both different scores for the game. So that's kind of cool and interesting that the different divisions and countries that Ijin, ijin's like worldwide, now they're they're like a global brand. There's Ijin's everywhere. There's an Ijin Germany, there's a.

Speaker 1 2:36:42

But just here on the front page I'm looking like Ijin gave suicide squad of 50. Ijin sorry if I butcher it, I don't know Benelux gave it a 60. But yeah, I mean, like for sure, gamepro in here, you know, pulling in like the critics reviews too, and. But I like the comparison of the of the two and then I like that they pull in from different sources. But yeah, like you said, I mean pulling in like Ijin and stuff like that. I can understand checking Steam sales. You just like you can't check it for a Nintendo Switch game. You know what I?

Speaker 4 2:37:17

mean. So here's a crazy one as far as the suicide squad, because overall I think it's got a 61. Yeah, 61. Not a good review, because you've got stuff like whatever, vgc will give it an 80 and then Ijin will give it like a 60.

Speaker 1 2:37:30

This says okay. So I'm looking at Metacritic. It says all over the place 21 critic reviews and a four user reviews. It only has four user reviews. So that's interesting.

Speaker 4 2:37:45

Most people go to different platforms. I mean, Metacritic is not bad, but it's just not my preferred segment. It just gives me an amalgamation of what the critics think about it and like well, I don't really like the question, yeah.

Speaker 1 2:37:55

I mean, it does have Metacritic in the name, so, like that makes sense, I get it. Yeah, so another thing we've got this is, you know, depending on if you care, I know I'm excited about it personally. First of all, the Mario versus Donkey Kong demo. We didn't even know we were getting a demo dropped so you can play that right now, but that comes out on the 16th and I think these are really really fun games and very unique and different, and I think it's cool to bring in this because it was a GBA game.

Speaker 1 2:38:28

It's a full remake. You look at just the images, like everything's different. So it also, on top of being just a remake, it also has a co-op player mode, which is interesting. I wonder how that would work, as well as additional content. So I mean you're getting, you're getting a full package here, and if you played it before, it's probably been years since you played it. And then you know, played in a remake form factor on a new platform, with additional content and two players Pretty cool. I think it looks. I think it looks neat. Have you looked at it at all?

Speaker 4 2:39:02

Haven't to be fair, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 2:39:04

Well, the demo is out there, if you want to. You want to check it out? I was. I got to download it. I plan on checking it out.

Speaker 4 2:39:12

I'm thinking like the first. The first thing you know about was the. Was the Mario movie? Funny enough.

Speaker 1 2:39:18

Well, yeah, they kind of don't well, kind of sort of style it.

Speaker 4 2:39:24

It's. It's completely related. It's just that my mind went somewhere where it shouldn't have gone. All right, Like a movie that came out like a year ago. Sorry.

Speaker 1 2:39:31

No, you're good man. Hey, mario movie is good. I own it twice. I think it's getting a sequel, isn't it? Yeah yeah, oh yeah, let's get in the sequel. Well, I think it's just good because there's more to expand. I you know, I was shocked at that movie that they dove in the Mario cart in the very first movie and then dove in Just on it. Yeah yeah, I mean like it touched on a lot of the universe, so it'd be exciting to see where they go.

Speaker 4 2:39:57

It's one of the best things in the movie when essentially you first get into the Donkey Kong country and you're essentially on a go car, Like that's one of my favorite favorite scenes of that movie.

Speaker 1 2:40:05

Oh yeah, yeah, I love it. We got Skull and Bones dropping February 16th, so just around the corner. We're about a little over two weeks out on that. That has been a long awaited game.

Speaker 4 2:40:18

Had a lot of height. Let's hopefully doesn't just crash and burn terribly when it launches.

Discussions on Upcoming Video Games

Speaker 1 2:40:23

Well, it makes me concerned because it's been delayed like three or four times. We've known about Skull and Bones for a very long time. I'm actually might try to look it up while we're talking about it. But what's your, what's your thoughts on it? What are you?

Speaker 4 2:40:36

thinking Not a whole lot, I just want a good game early out of it. I don't like to get into the hype of games. I want to wait that way because I don't want to over hype the game and kind of be let down. But the only I'm just concerned because, like it's Ubisoft, I'm not the fan of what Ubisoft has kind of said about certain things. I'm kind of staying to offices with supporting that company as a whole. But yeah, I'll wait and see what the actual game kind of looks like and then make a decision whether I'm going to actually get it from there.

Speaker 1 2:41:02

Yeah, I'm with you Support. But the good thing about Ubisoft games is that they always drop in price super quick, like they are. They're known as the company to have price drops the quickest Like you can get. Usually a Ubisoft game drops by 1015 bucks within a month, like literally they. They drop quick.

Speaker 4 2:41:24

So this is fun as a see it these. That's. That's why I was going to draw the comparison.

Speaker 1 2:41:29

This looks like to be a much, much, much more in depth. See it, thieves, because it's it's a live service game.

Speaker 4 2:41:40

So I mean, so was that game? It's an online game.

Speaker 1 2:41:42

I know it is, I know, but this seems to be like I don't know what year see if these came out, but this was announced E3 2017. So I honestly, I did not know it was a live service game until just now. So now I'm like my bar just lowered on how excited I am for see.

Speaker 4 2:42:01

These came out in 28 in March 2018.

Speaker 1 2:42:04

Okay, so this was announced before. That's interesting. That's interesting.

Speaker 4 2:42:08

I mean, it makes sense. Why see it? These is such a good game? Because it's a it's a rare game, so they always deliver.

Speaker 1 2:42:15

Yeah, always deliver. Yeah, I mean. Well, to be fair, that game didn't launch great. It got better over time.

Speaker 4 2:42:22

Yeah, but I mean it's, it's a, it's a decent game out, at least for a online multiplayer pirate game.

Speaker 1 2:42:29

Yeah, it's fun for sure, and it's gotten way better, and they keep updating it and keep adding content.

Speaker 4 2:42:36

So, to be fair, I didn't play it until about 2020 2021. So it had been out for a few years when I started playing it.

Speaker 1 2:42:43

Yeah, I played it when it first came out and then I played it with you a little bit too. Yeah, I mean it's. It's definitely fun, especially if you're playing with actual friends, Like you have to. Yeah, I mean, like you got to be playing with people you can actually talk to.

Speaker 4 2:43:00

It's designed to be fun around with, play with friends, occasionally run across some, some other people on the map. It's not super populated, it the whatever server that throws you on it limits how many people can actually be on there. Which is cool, a game, which is you get in, you hop on with friends, you can have, you know, as much fun as you can, kind of like make make yourselves, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 2:43:18

I mean it's liked about it.

Speaker 1 2:43:20

It makes the discovery of finding other people really fun and then, like you know, exciting and nervous, whether they're you know they're going to attack you or not, or it's like a PvP, pvp type type game, exactly. Yeah, I enjoy it. I'll be honest with you. I haven't played it when I played with you may have been the last time I played it. To be honest, it's been played in over a year. It's been a long time. I actually just deleted it, probably like two months ago, because I wasn't playing it. It's a big file size games to play. Yeah, that's. That's the problem, man, there's so many.

Speaker 1 2:43:53

We've got slave zero X coming out on February 21st, which is a direct prequel to the slave zero. Probably wasn't on your 2024 bingo card, but here we are. Well, the original slave zero was a 3D game. Slave zero X is primarily a 2D game, with the occasional hall dimension adding in when necessary. So this is a Metroidvania game and, if I remember correctly, the slave zero game was in line with like Metroid or with like prime, so it was like doing the sort of thing where it's like 2D, if I remember correctly. But anyway, this is a Metroidvania sort of style game, so Metroidvania is a very popular. I'm not shocked with that getting a prequel on that. We've got the 21st Terminator. Dark Fate Defiance looks kind of nifty. I like Terminator might. Might check it out. I don't. I don't know too much on it. It was such a terrible movie. Isn't it wild that we're getting a game, a direct game, to that?

Speaker 4 2:44:55

I don't think it's going to do well, but that's just because of the Terminator properties kind of been a ever since the second movie it's been drop off.

Speaker 1 2:45:03

Yeah, but I will tell you the what, what. What game came out of Robocop? That game did really well and that's a franchise that is from the same era and has had nothing for it since that remake in like 2014, which was terrible. Yeah, it was horrible. I mean, it could actually be a good game, but yeah there's, I mean, yeah, I hope it is, because the Robocop game I want to check out looks cool.

Speaker 4 2:45:28

Still, as a whole, the, the movie games, don't have the best reputation. They.

Speaker 1 2:45:34

they're getting better, but yeah they've been getting better, but yeah, for sure they don't have a good reputation. We talked about Pacific Drive that drops on the 22nd, which obviously looks really, really cool. Are you playing on checking that one out?

Speaker 4 2:45:49

I mean I might. We'll just see what happens. It looks like it's going to be a terrible. You know game to play, so I might get it now, who knows?

Speaker 1 2:45:59

Oh, here's one I didn't know about. Star Wars, dark Forces Remaster that's cool, coming out on the 28th on on every platform PC, ps5, ps4, series X, xbox One and Switch. That's cool. I really like Dark Forces. Did you ever get to play that on PC?

Speaker 4 2:46:17

And I was thinking about it once. I was like it wasn't PC, I played different.

Speaker 1 2:46:21

I think it was on PS1, too. I'm pretty sure it was on PS1, too.

Speaker 4 2:46:25

I'll never played console games growing up, so if it wasn't on, like the 64, snes or the GameCube, I wouldn't have played it. Yeah, there was another game that came out on the 64, that wasn't yeah. I feel like her game that I played, but I can't remember what it's called.

Speaker 1 2:46:40

I feel like I'm trying to remember which Star Wars, besides like the racing game came out forces is $97 and 18 cents on Amazon.

Speaker 4 2:46:50

How much $97 and 18 cents?

Speaker 1 2:46:53

I'm not surprised at all. Yeah, so PC and I was all right. It came out on PS1 as well. Yeah, I played on PC surprisingly. Hey, we played some. We played some PC games at your house from time to time. It was like roller coaster.

Speaker 4 2:47:08

Take civilization and and and cartoon or of it Each of the empires and, yes, some of the other cartoon games. Yeah, I mean I'm a cartoon or of it Didn't really grow up with a whole lot of console games or PC games. Yeah, I'm different era though.

Speaker 1 2:47:23

I did but didn't. It was a lot of. It was a lot of those type of games, but there was. I mean there was other stuff like a play mist I played. First time I played Doom was on PC. First time I played Duke Nukem 3D was on PC. There were there were some stuff, but again, not a ton. I was always console, handheld mostly handheld, to be honest with you back then. Yeah, but console as well. Pretty sure my mouse batteries just died, so trying to have them, yeah they're like dying.

Speaker 4 2:47:54

I don't know where you were reading, but I know I think it's March 21st that Horizon for forbidden west comes to PC. Yeah, yeah, I played on on on on console, but I also played the original game on. I bought it. I bought it and played it on PC. And what it was there was an adjustment, because you can definitely tell you bought it, you bought on PC as well.

Speaker 1 2:48:14

The first one. The first one, yeah, OK, OK.

Speaker 4 2:48:16

It was kind of weird because it's obviously was developed for a controller. It was playable and it wasn't. It wasn't too bad. I'll probably I might eventually if it, if it is a good port, I might eventually replay it again on PC.

Speaker 1 2:48:28

Right on. Yeah, I mean, I think it's cool that they're, you know, releasing the games a year after, like. Of course they want to sell it on their platform, but at least they are bringing them to PC because, being a PlayStation, they, you know, certainly don't have to.

Speaker 4 2:48:44

The problem is when they first brought Horizon over, it was a terrible port and played crap when they first ported it. So hopefully they, you know fix their issues when they they port their next game.

Speaker 1 2:48:53

Yeah, yeah, I hope so too. Cyber Larry said. Hopefully the Dark Forces remaster does well, so it. So it sequels to get the same treatment. I was actually going to mention Dark Forces 2 is amazing game. It's way better than the first one. The first one's good, but Dark Forces 2 is like really good, like a top tier, a Star Wars game that gets overlooked All the time and just like not enough people have played. It's one worth checking out for sure. So if this does well, then we might just get that and that's a. Yeah, I'll check it out. That's one I want to check out. It might be a wait for a price drop, but the fact that it's coming on like switch, like that's, that's cool. So I'm excited about that, I'm excited. And then, of course, we got Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth on the 29th. Everybody's super hyped about that one and it's.

Speaker 1 2:49:46

It's interesting the way that they've, you know, done the, the seven remake, and that it's a two part technically, technically three part game, if you count the, the other game that they came out last, which was a PSP remake, and it was, I think, a prequel to the story, if I, if I remember correctly, I have it and it's still sealed. I haven't got to play it yet, so but yeah, yeah, part of the remake trilogy is teasing an even bigger deviation from the established canon of the series the arrival of fan favorite characters and a potentially devastating climax. So I like personally. I'm sure some people don't like, but I like that they're giving in a new story because I can go back and play the original story anytime I want to, but I can't play a new story, so I like that they're doing that. I think that's cool stuff to me. What do you think?

Speaker 4 2:50:42

Yeah, I mean, if you're going to make a remake, at least change a little bit. I don't want to just replay the whole game, like I don't want the story to be wholesale different. But you know, make some changes, make the new game worth replaying. That way You're not just I already know what's going to happen. I was playing the same game, but with you know better graphics.

Speaker 1 2:50:59

And what's going on. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. So this just dropped two hours ago we got Sonic the Hedgehog 3 movie cast surprising Marvel I'm a surprising Marvel star. So it looks like somebody from Jessica Jones. Oh, the girl that played Jessica Jones, christine Ritter, is going to be in Sonic 3. And I can't see who she's playing because it just clicked off the tab, but it looks like Christine Ritter is playing somebody in Sonic 3. And that was that news just dropped two hours ago. So you heard it here first. On that one, yeah, that's kind of interesting. Right, pretty good she is. You never watched Jessica Jones? I haven't. No, it's actually really good. It's actually worth the time. Yeah, that's, it's, it's an interesting one. I am curious here. I was going to bring up that Are you, are you a fan at all of Persona?

Speaker 4 2:52:05

I played the fourth game. That's really about it and I never beat it. I have Persona 5 on the Vita. Yeah, for four. Yeah, but I got five on the PS5. And I think I played it once, but I, after, like the introduction section, I just I never picked it back up. But they're not. They're not terrible games.

Speaker 1 2:52:23

No, they're good, Are you? Are you interested in the the three remake reload.

Speaker 4 2:52:28

Probably not. But if it gets reviewed decently, I might eventually put on my back burner. But I mean, my list of games to play is already so long. If it gets put on there, it will just be. It's on an ever growing list of the games I need to play. As I replay this the game I have before like 20 times.

Speaker 1 2:52:43

Yeah, I know, I get it, I'm the same way and I did want to bring up one more thing that was pretty big, that I saw actually today. So we got we got more power world news and it's kind of crazy. So, first of all, this article goes over Pokemon, scarlet and Violet versus Power World Sales compared. So this is super interesting. It says Power World's rapid rise in popularity has made it a serious competitor to an established game like Pokemon. Despite the controversy surrounding its similarities, pokemon Power World sales numbers back up its status to a true competitor. So it looks like how this is crazy, absolutely insane numbers for an indie game. It's sold at 19 million units now in just a few weeks. So that's the updated number from the seven million we talked about last week. Seven million to 19 million is a massive jump.

Comparing Pokemon Sales and Power

Speaker 4 2:53:47

It's had a lot of between the news talking about that. People say, hey, this is a really good game, is it's had a lot of a lot of what's it Mouth of Word or something like that Word of mouth I may have put you yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 2:54:00

Yes, we're saying yeah, no, no, seriously, because again, I haven't played it since I recorded the footage, unfortunately, but it had me thinking about it, wanting to play, which is the first game in a little while that has done that. So I plan on playing it some more. I want to dive into it a little bit Again. The crafting, survival thing is not my style of game, but adding that that Pokemon element in the way that they do makes it a little interesting. So I like the way they do. Yeah, it's very unique and I think I think that everybody should try it out, whether you're a Pokemon fan, whatever Fortnite fan or Minecraft, whatever you want to compare it to. I mean, it's just weird mixed mash of a bunch of style of games. But anyway, the Pokemon Scarlet Violet only sold twenty three point twenty three million units over the course of a year, so we are nearing games.

Speaker 4 2:54:57

It's a bad game. I'm sorry. You made a terrible, broken game.

Speaker 1 2:55:00

They're the first Pokemon games to not continually sell more games. Each generation, like every generation, pokemon is sold more and more and more and more. This is the first one to not, which I don't like because I'm a fan.

Speaker 4 2:55:14

I'm not happy that that they're two a degree I am because I think they need a wake up call to stop making land games, which I think they have been for a while. They put on auto part.

Speaker 1 2:55:27

Arceus was a fun game, though Arceus was really good, but it's not mainline Sword and Shield, scarlet and Silver.

Speaker 4 2:55:34

very bland Scarlet. So, technically unimpressive games, where they still have you know issues, where it's at times will tank.

Speaker 1 2:55:41

Yeah, they do, they do. I mean, I feel like I feel like outside of Arceus, there there hasn't been a game that has shaken up the Pokemon formula in a long time. I feel like the last one White yeah, that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 1 2:55:55

Black, black and Blacks been forever Black, black, black two and White two specifically, I feel like, because they they were significant enough upgrades and the first time that we ever had a direct sequel to a game. We've never had it since and it worked and the sales numbers and the the price and value of the game now reflect that too. Black two and White two are like one hundred and fifty dollar games. So yeah, I mean, it's just crazy. It says power has become a breakout hit among players, quickly surpassing titles like Counter Strike to Cyberpunk 2077 and Elden Ring to become the game with the second highest concurrent player account in steam history. Holy crap, crazy, that is insane. That's shocking to hear over Cyberpunk, because when we we got the changes whatever it's called Cyberpunk, phantom Liberty, that brought back a whole, whole new fan base and it was. It was popping.

Speaker 4 2:56:59

It's a good deal, See. I finally got played through and beat it and I enjoyed the story they told me.

Speaker 1 2:57:04

Yeah, that's interesting man, it says. Despite the controversy surrounding the similarities between the pals of Power World and the creatures of the Pokemon series, the title continues to increase in sale while still in early access. However, the similarities between Power World and Pokemon don't end with their game playing creature design, as comparing the game sales to those of Scarlet Violet reveals an interesting trend. And I'm trying to get to the rest my day mouse batteries running out of juice there, but we got outside of that only there is really is a comparison.

Speaker 1 2:57:40

Well, it says much of the discussion surrounding. It is not about the game sales or player counter, but about how Power World walks the line between drawing inspiration from Pokemon and straight up plagiarizing the franchise. The Pokemon company recently issued a statement, which we know about, saying that they have not granted permission to use Pokemon assets in the game and are investigating the copyright infringement. And my here's here's a good discussion. This is a really good discussion. What? What would happen if the Pokemon company did move forward with something with Power World, since it's still in early access and not a full fledged game, and I don't know enough about how Japanese law works, because that's going to be in house in Japan and I have no idea.

Speaker 4 2:58:32

Ultimately, I think it would. It would never go to court. They they're going to sell out of court for X amount of money and, if anything, it's like it will change these things. But it depends on whether they've not that they just made that statement. It hasn't already been going on behind the scenes and we're not there to actually anything they could actually do. If they're enough of a difference to be like, yeah, you get away with it. I feel like if it was an American company, or at least it was in house in America, with, with the tend to a power world, while a gray area, they probably have a lot, a lot, a very good way Uh, I'm saying that wrong All we would be able to get away with it.

GameCube Games for Switch Online Discussion

Speaker 1 2:59:07

Yeah, I see I'm trying to look up something. One other interesting thing is that Power World sold exactly half of the copies of Scarlet and Violet in the first three days. That that's, that's even that. Even that's a crazy number Like exactly exactly half.

Speaker 4 2:59:24

But there's too many Nintendo and Pokemon fanboys that will never accept the criticism that Scarlet and Violet were just bad games, like both creatively and technically bad games, and I will never change my opinion on that, and I say it out of because I want those games to be good. You need to criticize the bad to hopefully, and hopefully this inspires them to as a potential, you know, challenger, potentially to you know, make make sure the next game is good. Yeah, but as far as the legal side goes, I'm sure there's there's grounds to look into it, but I just don't know enough about Japanese copyright laws to say one way or the other how I really feel about it.

Speaker 1 3:00:03

That's. That's what I was trying to look up, but yeah how it has to make a change.

Speaker 4 3:00:07

They'll make a change. They'll play. They have enough. They should have enough money to here's X amount of money. We'll make these changes now kind of go away. That's probably what's going to happen and they're not going to care because, regardless, they made far more money than they ever expected to.

Speaker 1 3:00:21

Yeah, but they certainly did see it. Is it really is? I mean, christopher says Hi, game Junction, gamecube coming to switch online? Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, actually, mark, what would you like to see if they launch with that? What would you like to see launch with GameCube online for the switch?

Speaker 4 3:00:41

I want what should launch with it.

Speaker 1 3:00:43

Both. I mean like let me just say this I think it's exciting I bought all the controllers for the other, like switch online stuff, because I think it's really cool they're re reissuing these controllers. A GameCube, one Dude, I would go crazy over that. That's, that would be insane. I think that's just nuts Like I would have never imagined Nintendo reissuing their their controllers for systems, ever so GameCube is. I did not think they were going to go to GameCube, so what? What would you think would launch with it? Or what would you want to launch with it?

Speaker 4 3:01:16

It is, it should, and these, I'd say Mario Kart and two Smash Bros Like two of your top games on that console. Why would you not launch it?

Speaker 1 3:01:26

Yeah, I see, I was going to say Super Mario Sunshine, but that's on the collection already. But that doesn't.

Speaker 4 3:01:34

you can't buy that anymore, so that's a limited time thing which is true.

Speaker 1 3:01:39

So I would say that would probably be one. And then I was going to say Metroid Prime, but we've got the remaster.

Speaker 4 3:01:46

They just remastered it, so it's still be on there. I was looking at a list. I was like maybe paper Mario, so a good choice.

Speaker 1 3:01:54

Yeah, I actually don't think they would do Smash Bros. I just got to compete with the already.

Speaker 4 3:01:59

Yeah, it's such an old and iconic game I feel like it should.

Speaker 1 3:02:03

Personally, I mean, melee is amazing. Like I love Melee, so I would. I would love to see that, I would love to play that again.

Speaker 4 3:02:11

A competitive community, which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 3:02:13

Yeah, it does. I mean it's still played competitively so.

Speaker 4 3:02:16

I was looking through a list. I mean, obviously some of these games can't be on there, Like Resident Evil is not going to be there.

Speaker 1 3:02:22

What about Animal Crossing?

Speaker 4 3:02:23

I mean, I feel, maybe not at launch, but it should be on there. It's a popular game, yeah, unless they're afraid it's going to compete with their current Animal Crossing, but the game's been out for.

Speaker 1 3:02:32

Yeah, at this point, like what sales are they competing with?

Speaker 4 3:02:36

Wind Waker. Why not release Wind Waker? We haven't yet Get any more since they released it for the Wii U and that's a dead console.

Speaker 1 3:02:44

And well, the unfortunate part is that they really should have ported that in Twilight Princess over, because those HG remakes. First of all, they make massive improvements, especially to Wind Waker. What's the sailing? Yeah, they, they like triple time it, so you don't have to sail for 45 minutes.

Speaker 4 3:03:02

That's the question, if they would say it's like you play the GameCube version, but it's also the HD remake version of it, so you get the better version of it. You're just going to play it like you would on the original GameCube, essentially. Yeah, I mean that's, that's fair. Yeah, the work's already been done and I assume you can play the HD remake with a GameCube controller, unless I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 3:03:23

I don't know, you know what I actually don't know if those controllers work outside of Switch Online.

Speaker 4 3:03:30

I mean it was developed just a better looking game. Really, that's all it is. I didn't change the core gameplay. I wouldn't assume. I kind of played it.

Speaker 1 3:03:36

Well, the sailing the sailing is a big day. Have you played the original? I never played it at all. Ok, the sailing is a massive, massive deal because you literally can spend 45 minutes sailing to your next test. Like, I'm not, I'm not exaggerating, I'm going to address, but I mean, yeah, yeah, I would. I think what else? I mean I think Animal Crossing's a pretty good one because of popularity, of that.

Speaker 4 3:04:02

Now, but because I saw Pikmin 2 on, you, did both Pikmin 1 and 2 come out on? Yeah, yeah, they did.

Speaker 1 3:04:10

They're planning to re-release this, but they already are Pikmin 1 and I have it. Yeah, pikmin 1 and 2 remaster.

Speaker 4 3:04:17

I was going down a risk like the best rated game, so I was just trying to. It's like what do?

Speaker 1 3:04:20

we not have from what do we not have from GameCube? So I mean, how about some Bomberman Jetters? That's not happening.

Speaker 4 3:04:29

That's different, it's, it's you deal with it with companies.

Speaker 1 3:04:32

Sega Genesis is on Switch Online with with a controller, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 3:04:39

Maybe one of their Fire Elim games?

Speaker 1 3:04:42

Yeah that would be. Yeah, that would actually be good to launch, I think one that I've seen is Path of Radiance.

Speaker 4 3:04:47

They came out in 05. That makes that makes sense. Played the game, so I've got no idea. Well, it's like a $300 game, so that that would be great for people to be able to play you know what, and I know it's not going to happen but a lost kingdoms, oh, God, yes, one and two, please.

Speaker 1 3:05:05

I love those games. That would be awesome, but who made those games? I don't. It was the people that did Um Souls. Yeah, dark Souls.

Speaker 4 3:05:14

Yeah, yeah, because you has that, that atmosphere.

Speaker 1 3:05:17

It's a unique type of as a has an atmosphere, obviously not to gameplay, but a track. Oh dude, these games are so good.

Speaker 4 3:05:24

Oh my gosh, I could have happened, but I was like I could Well, I mean, games is on Gamecube. I grew a plan.

Speaker 1 3:05:31

There's been. There's been some that, like people thought wouldn't launch on there. I'm trying to think of which ones. There's been some. There's been some ones that people have not thought about, so I wouldn't be surprised they're. They're bringing weird. Like they're bringing. I like this because people don't have access to them. But they brought, like, famicom games over translated that, like people have never been able to play, and super Famicom games Same thing, which I like. Like hey, give people access to a translated game that we'd never got to play before. I would like Hmm.

Speaker 4 3:06:04

Here's a game. Another game I didn't realize was on on Gamecube a Bouldersgate Dark Alliance.

Speaker 1 3:06:09

Absolutely. That's how I played it. That's the first time I played it and it is a phenomenal game. Two is on there as well. Two is on there as well. Yeah, played both, played both of them with my dad, surprisingly.

Speaker 4 3:06:21

Yeah, yeah, and unfortunately I never played one. Maybe we can actually get an F, since we can't get a new F, zero game, maybe F zero GX, Maybe that I mean we got 99, which seems to be pretty successful. There is new as your game that ever came out 99.

Speaker 1 3:06:39

Yeah, well, no, oh, gx, yeah, yeah, well, unless the GBA one came out after, I can't remember if I feel like GX is the last one. I think GX is the last one. I'm going to Google it. Yeah, because that GBA games are really really good too. I just need to know people ever look at that one all the time.

Speaker 4 3:06:59

The promise is F zero, 99 and 2023, but that's not. Well, technically it's cannons F zero climax was the last one in no four, so that was GBA, gba, yeah, ok, so GP, gplegend, ax and GX all came out in three. Yeah, yeah, that many games is like what?

Speaker 1 3:07:20

One, two, three, I think it was like six games, seven, eight, nine, 10. Oh, there's a few count Ninety, nine. Oh, ok, I didn't even know there was that many. I played both of the ones on the GBA. What is it? Yeah, I played both the ones on GBA and I loved them. I think they were great and nobody talks about the one. Is that GP I think it's GP legends is actually based on the F zero anime. Believe it or not? Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 3:07:46

I didn't realize, two of these games with Grand P and Grand P do were both BS games. What is it? Uh uh, grand Prix and Grand Prix two were both BS games, they're arcade games.

Speaker 1 3:07:57

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, the same thing with Mario Kart. There's Mario Kart DX and so you. I don't really want to. I don't even want to Mario Kart GP, Mario Kart GP2 and Mario Kart GP DX. There's three of them.

Speaker 4 3:08:13

So, from what this is done, there's only six mainline F zero games. There's a bunch of half of these are technically spin off games. From what this is looking like, both the Grand Prix, uh X, expansion kit, ax and 99 are saying they're spin off games. From what this is saying Hmm, interesting, yeah, I mean I. I mean it's, it's Wikipedia, so you take, take that with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 3:08:35

Yeah, I thought that there was six or seven. So I mean that lines up with mainline games. I knew about the arcade games, so I forgot about them. Um, which I mean they are like full fledged, they're own games, so like, but obviously I, oh that F zero expansion kit.

Speaker 4 3:08:51

I don't know if it actually came out. It was supposed to be with the 64 DDS. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 3:08:55

Yep, yep, you can. You can play it on the Everdrive. I've got it online. It's pretty rad.

Speaker 4 3:09:01

Oh, ax is another arcade game, hmm.

Speaker 1 3:09:04

Interesting.

Speaker 4 3:09:05

AX came out the same year as GX for the game Cuban 03 and the GP legends did.

Speaker 1 3:09:11

I saw it must. It must be used the same sort of structure or something.

Speaker 4 3:09:15

So there's like there's like six mainline games. Everything else is like a arcade or some weird expansion that kind of failed on a failed expansion.

Speaker 1 3:09:22

Geez, that's crazy. Very interesting, Hmm.

Speaker 4 3:09:26

Always got ways while growing Esther, not that we would.

Speaker 1 3:09:28

Yeah, that's, yeah. I mean, hey look, it'd be cool to have GX come to GameCube, because Well, we already got Luigi's.

Speaker 4 3:09:36

Luigi's mansion Is the original playable. Already We've had other games.

Speaker 1 3:09:40

Wait, the original Luigi's mansion. Um, we've got. Well, I mean, there's a remake on 3ds of Luigi's mansion. There's a remake on 3ds. Um, we're getting the remake of two on switch this year, so it would make sense to bring one over, but, like, because we did get a remake last generation, I don't know. I mean, oh, you know what?

Speaker 4 3:10:04

I just was going through the list. Mario Strikers yes, yeah, we got a newer one.

Speaker 1 3:10:08

That's not nearly as good. Yet, yeah, that GameCube game is just way better. And that game, you know that Mario Strikers launched with like no, like no content man. It was like dead. Yeah, it was like dead in the water and and nobody talks about it now either, which is unfortunate, because it's like it's like that's. That was kind of a big deal. We hadn't gotten one in a while. It sucks.

Speaker 4 3:10:35

Oh, yeah, kirby, air riders came out in a three.

Speaker 1 3:10:37

Yeah, it can be a good one. That's fun. That's a fun racing. Yeah, it's a fun racing game. It's unique too. That can be cool. I mean, like, realistically they would probably drop what three start with three or five, right Like?

Speaker 4 3:10:52

I can't believe I didn't think about sorry.

Speaker 1 3:10:53

Keep saying what you're saying, oh no, I was just saying they would realistically probably drop with three or five, right Like one or the other. I feel like they would drop a three GameCube games. Yeah, because I feel like they dropped with three 64 games. If I'm three or five, I can't remember.

Speaker 4 3:11:09

But I'm finding some core games Like I don't know why I didn't think about this. Obviously probably not going to get it, but the Budokai games would be nice. Not going to get those, yeah.

Speaker 1 3:11:19

I mean, and we're getting 10 Kaiji for this year as well, so that would be kind of cool, but it was a.

Speaker 4 3:11:25

I liked Star Fox adventures, and then I did, too, colosseum games. Yep.

Speaker 1 3:11:30

Yep and GX. Colosseum and Gale of Darkness. Yeah, it was another one Pokemon box, gale of Darkness and Colosseum.

Speaker 4 3:11:39

This is going to give me everything, but I think I guess maybe we get four swords adventures. That'd be nice.

Speaker 1 3:11:45

That'd be cool. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's like a pretty overlooked and I get that people haven't really played, like that's.

Speaker 4 3:11:53

You know, I think games, games, games.

Speaker 1 3:11:55

I did the GameCube is just so good. It's like to me it's a small library. Yeah, it's a small library, but a good library. It did not have nearly as much filler as a lot of like the PS2, which has the biggest library still to date I had it. It was obviously like at least 50% filler, if not more. So I would say, yeah, gamecube, you got a small library, but it had had really good games and just just a lot to offer.

Speaker 4 3:12:26

Personally, and game on here that I saw that it's probably not going to be on there. That I never played, but was the TimeSplitters games.

Speaker 1 3:12:33

That'd be good. Yeah, two for the Xbox, I think. Oh my God.

Speaker 4 3:12:40

The original Beyond Good and Evil. Oh dude, yeah, that would be. Obviously that wasn't a GameCube exclusive, but didn't we just get an announcement for a new Beyond Good and Evil recently?

Speaker 1 3:12:51

We have had. There's been one in the works for years. It's not been recent, like you might be able to look it up, but as far as I'm aware there's it's been the works for a while.

Speaker 4 3:13:03

The second game came out on PS4 and Xbox One. Okay.

Speaker 1 3:13:08

I didn't even know that.

Speaker 4 3:13:09

I was like I remember hearing something about a new one, but I never.

Speaker 1 3:13:12

I jeez, oh wow, we might have to check that out.

Speaker 4 3:13:15

That might make for a maybe it just didn't perform that well.

Speaker 1 3:13:18

Who knows? Yeah, I'm wondering how that was rated. I haven't heard anything about that. That's interesting.

Speaker 4 3:13:24

Going through lists I'm like, oh my God, there's a bunch of old games that I completely forgot about.

Speaker 1 3:13:27

It's an nostalgia man, I'm telling you there's a lot, there's a lot to offer. So, like I think that's a big deal, like that would be for one, I think that would make a lot of people subscribe to the expansion pass. A lot of people would be super stoked on GameCube and if they if they legitimately do offer the GameCube controller, that will be you know how. The 64 controller right, it doesn't stay in stock, like every time it goes in stock, it sells out. The GameCube controller is going to be even worse. Yeah, it's going to be worse than the 64 controller. People are going to be clamoring for that.

Speaker 4 3:14:06

Get that like better, like pre-ordered or something.

Speaker 1 3:14:08

Dude, yeah, absolutely, I mean it's, it's a people love the GameCube controller man, it's, it's a good controller. I really enjoy it. Yeah, I guess that AMD Ryzen 7, that that 8000 GGP or CPUs or AMD released the Ryzen 7. Or AM4 motherboard users looking to get an affordable upgrade. I guess that's already out, by the way. I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 3:14:37

So that's technically all CPUs have some form of integrated graphics, but it's usually good enough for basic computer operations. You're not going to be able to play a game on them.

Speaker 1 3:14:46

Hmm, I didn't know that Interesting Okay.

Speaker 4 3:14:49

Well, there's not what these newer CPUs is. Because they're there, they tend to get really hot, so you need to make sure you're like cooling them right, because they can do so much more. But that's like the only counter is making sure you don't let your CPU like over heat.

Speaker 1 3:15:03

Do you? You have yours like water cooled or just just fans?

Speaker 4 3:15:08

I went back to fan cooled. I used to have it, but as it stands right now, unless you're like overclocking or you're trying for that top tier performance, air cooled is recod back up to where water cooled was for your average PC gaming.

Speaker 1 3:15:20

So it's really do they make a knock knock to a fans for PC too? I have one knock to a because I have one for my game. I have a modded game cube and got a knock to a fan in it too. It's just a better fan because the game cube could, the game cube could over heat. Especially when you have a modded game cube, it looks, it looks like they they do air cooled fans.

Speaker 4 3:15:43

Yeah, interesting. It's kind of looks similar because my my fan cooler is a. It's a be quiet CPU. Where it's a, it's got a really big heat sink and it's got two fans on it.

Speaker 1 3:15:54

Yeah, yeah, this, this one's. You can't even hear it. It's a real, it's like a good fan, but you can't. You can't hear it at all. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 3:16:03

Well, I did want to mention because this one is one that popped up about six hours ago Naughty Dog teases exciting update for the last of us three. The last of us creator, neil Druckman, shares new details on his progress and creating a worthy story for the last of us three. It may feature new characters and a potential time jump, but specific details about the story have not yet been confirmed. Neil Druckman struggled to come up with the concept for the third game, but now has an idea that he believes is a worthy follow up. While not explicitly confirming the last of us part three, druckman hinted that there may be one more chapter to the story. The last of it was coming. Yeah, the last of us part two is making a documentary rounded to premiere today, on February 2nd, so today, if you listen to audio, it's out now and revealed some interesting details about a potential follow up during the documentary. The last of us part two is. Neil Druckman shared his progress in developing a story for the series third entry. Hey, we might have to check that out.

Speaker 4 3:17:12

I didn't like the second game story so I'm super skeptical. I'm not going to like the third game story.

Speaker 1 3:17:19

Like well, the direction. I mean I didn't like the story either, but but the game play, the game play was really good. The game plays good, the story and stuff.

Speaker 4 3:17:30

Story there. I thought they just bumbled the bag on this, on how that? Yeah, I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 3:17:36

Yeah, Well, I mean that one that would give more reason to check out this making of documentary. It came out today, so if you guys are interested my opinion on anything, but that's just me.

Speaker 1 3:17:47

Yeah, I mean, who knows, like I wouldn't mind listening to it in the car, you know I'm at work or something, so that that is out today and so he's got apparently an idea for a worthy follow up. See, I don't know that it was apparent that we were getting another game. Now factions obviously was supposed to happen for, or was it factions as a multiplayer right? That got canceled, Am I right? So, yeah, so I knew about that Close, but yeah, I don't know. And then it looks like interesting.

Speaker 1 3:18:22

A Star Wars Outlaws is targeting a spring release date. So have you seen about that game? By the way? I don't think so. Yeah, it looks like it looks like an interesting game. Here's a problem, though for you it's a Ubisoft game. It is always online. I don't know. I'm going to see if I can find out, because I bet it is Star Wars Outlaws reportedly aiming for a spring release date, specifically targeting May, but fans should anticipate possible delays given Ubisoft's history. The game will feature the three three types of environments cities, large open world areas and space, allowing for diverse activities and quests. Speculation suggests that cities will serve as hubs, open areas as quest areas, and space is a place for unique combat exploration experience, but more details yet to be revealed. So, yeah, they announced this during, I want to say, a state of play last year, or an Xbox one of them.

Speaker 4 3:19:24

I think it's got potential. I mean I'm glad EA no longer has the monopoly on it, because EA did nothing and made more decisions with it. Yeah, I agree. I agree, it's probably a game. It's like I'll let it review and kind of make a decision there.

Speaker 1 3:19:39

If it's a Ubisoft game nine times out of 10, I'm waiting until it drops in price and grabbing it at the 15, 20 bucks for May. I mean, like the only Ubisoft game in recent time is that Prince of Persia game that I've wanted to grab, but I made the decision to hold off and grab it when it drops down. It's already lowering in price, but it's a Hold off and grab it when it.

Speaker 4 3:20:03

Yeah, so If it comes to Steam, I'll just wait until Steam sell and probably buy it then, if it gets decent reviews, Wait.

Discussion About Movies and Television Shows

Speaker 1 3:20:12

Prince of Persia or no? The Outlaws, oh yeah, yeah, I'm interested in it, but it is Ubisoft, so it looks like that is what we got on news. We did have two viewer questions, I believe. Let me pull this up again. I did not add the notes and we got oh, I need to hit the comments real quick. Give us a new Jack, you cowards. We're still getting great Ratchet and Clank games, but Jack has been dead since Daxter on PSP. That is true. That is true, and the last Ratchet and Clank was a phenomenal game Amazing, he said. Man, I'm excited for Star Wars Eclipse more than Outlaws, and Eclipse and the upcoming Ackoltae show on Disney. I don't know, do you know how to pronounce that On Disney Plus or Ackoltae? I think it's a Star Wars thing, I thought it was like Acolyte.

Speaker 1 3:21:07

Acolyte. I don't. My glasses are over here, guys, because they're reflections. I thought you were terrible at English. No, no, no. I appreciate it. It's Acolyte, Acolyte, All right. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know I'm excited to see what happens with Outlaws. That Star Wars Eclipse does seem pretty cool, so might be worth checking out. Star Wars has burned me out, though I'll tell you, I've been on Star Wars Burnout mode since the start of the trilogy.

Speaker 4 3:21:42

I just I thought I think to me Disney's just ran Star Wars into the grass they have. They have nothing good with it. They've accidentally done something good here or there, but as a whole I've hated with Disney's them to Star Wars.

Speaker 1 3:21:56

So much so that I don't even like to wear my Star Wars shirts sometimes, Because I'm like I am on. I just like this franchise. What it represents now is not like what it represented as I grew up, but it's like because Acolyte's the show on Disney Plus.

Speaker 4 3:22:14

If I do end up watching it, it's not going to be on Disney Plus, as far as I'll say about that. But more than likely I'm not going to. I don't pay for Disney Plus and I don't play on getting it. That's how I feel about Disney as a whole.

Speaker 1 3:22:25

I have it because it comes with my Amazon. My whole deal with Amazon just comes with it.

Speaker 4 3:22:33

Pain for Hulu TV during the football season. I technically had access to it. I never activated it.

Speaker 1 3:22:38

Maybe it's Hulu, I get it with. Maybe it's Hulu or not. Amazon.

Speaker 4 3:22:41

Because I never use Netflix and Hulu. I just straight cancel them because I never use the services. So it's just a money that's just being pumped down the drain. The only streaming service I'll still pay for at this point is Amazon. That's because I pay for Amazon Prime, not for the streaming service, but for I actually shop on Amazon.

Speaker 1 3:22:59

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 3:23:01

I've got to a point. I'd rather either I'm going to buy it physical or I'm going to hit the high seas at this point.

Speaker 1 3:23:07

I'm with you, man, I get it.

Speaker 4 3:23:09

I've made rap the last decade. I prefer watching foreign shows, foreign films. They're just better, that's fair.

Speaker 1 3:23:17

That's fair, I agree.

Speaker 4 3:23:19

The best movie of 2023 to me, by a landslide, was God's Little Minus One. Dude that's so good, so good. I think the minus color is the better version to watch it in. If they release it on Blu-ray, watch the minus color version Because I think it's just yeah, I haven't seen that.

Speaker 1 3:23:39

I saw it in the theater.

Speaker 4 3:23:41

Well, the minus color was in theater for like a week, a week and a half. I just left yesterday, oh did it really.

Speaker 1 3:23:46

Hopefully they release it. Is there any legitimate differences? I mean, is there anything? It's just black and white. So that's the only difference. That's the only difference there's no color.

Speaker 4 3:23:59

But with the time period when I first watched Black and White, the first thing I thought of this reminds me of the original Gods of the Poor.

Speaker 1 3:24:07

I love that movie Watch reviews.

Speaker 4 3:24:10

Some people say I mean it's good either way. But a lot of people say that you're really into it. The black and white really has a nostalgia, really adds to that. I don't always say horror feel because I don't really get that horror feel, but it just adds to that.

Speaker 1 3:24:21

Well, for then it was.

Speaker 4 3:24:22

Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:24:23

And also I will recommend it because I could talk Godzilla all day. If you like the original Godzilla, watch Gojira, as it's a much better film and version of it versus ours who had the TV announcer talking throughout the entire movie. He's not there and you get more Godzilla action. Like there was a bunch of deleted scenes that they removed from the version that we got and like Gojira. Just look up Gojira, it's so much better.

Speaker 4 3:24:55

You don't even get that much Godzilla minus one, but when he's there he definitely makes a memorable impact. Yeah, how long has it been since you got a Godzilla movie? Like, oh my God, I actually care, there's a good written characters. It's like the one thing everyone talks about is like yeah, it's not just Godzilla, it's the characters are actually well written and you actually care about them. Yeah, and then God's little in this movie as well.

Speaker 1 3:25:18

It always used to be. I mean, it used to be the fact that, like typically, godzilla wasn't like in the movie for a super long time, like it wouldn't be unheard of for, like I think, godzilla Mothra that he was in it for like 15 minutes of the movie Godzilla kind of got goofy.

Speaker 4 3:25:34

I don't know if it, I don't think.

Speaker 1 3:25:36

Yeah, there's three eras of Godzilla, the railway or something like that.

Speaker 4 3:25:41

I think the show Joe era is in in minus minus minus zero. This, this era that we're in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:25:52

I think it's a show Joe era or something. That is, a goofy era where he's like jumping up and down and has Godzilla Jr, baby Godzilla is. That is the name for for him. I think Godzilla Jr is a separate yeah.

Speaker 4 3:26:10

I didn't hate it, but it kind of it didn't have that dread Menya. Watch the guts.

Speaker 1 3:26:16

Menya's name that was.

Speaker 4 3:26:17

that was the little Godzilla, that the annoying the Mothra, the Godzilla Mecha, godzilla, the the old. I love all of this for the new universe, legendary stuff. Yeah, I prefer the old Toho stuff. I did as cheesy as it can be.

Speaker 1 3:26:33

Well, I agree, because I mean I like practical effects, so I like the costumes and I dug all that and I dug. You know just the way those movies are filmed. But I will say I liked Skull Island a lot, I think out of all, even one, I think that's the best one that just got just King Kong, like just King.

Speaker 4 3:26:55

Yeah, but those are like, aren't they still legendary Technically?

Speaker 1 3:26:59

the whole universe. Yeah, they're the whole universe. But I'm saying, of all those, I feel like that was the best one.

Speaker 4 3:27:04

Yeah, but I just I don't like the Hollywood Godzilla as a whole. But you know, like just personal you know like 98 Godzilla. I like the dark, gritty Godzilla, the. I didn't care that much for Shin, but I like the, the tone I feel the same way to be.

Speaker 1 3:27:20

I didn't. I didn't like the transformation of a Zinn. I didn't like the Godzilla transfer. I thought it was silly.

Speaker 4 3:27:26

But he's supposed to be the embodiment of nuclear destruction. Yeah, the Godzilla that I like.

Speaker 1 3:27:31

Yeah, yeah, I didn't like the. The transfer me. It's funny because, like I'm in a bunch of the Godzilla groups and stuff and you can actually buy like legitimate, like S it's they're called S H monster arts that releases like these premium Godzilla figures for you know, like adult collectors, and you can get each stage of Shin Godzilla transformation. It's like I would never want that. It's like a picture.

Speaker 4 3:27:59

He's supposed to have like eight transformation. One looks really human like. I'm like this is weird. Yeah it's, it's strange going with it with the story. I just thought it was kind of weird and I watched somebody, some YouTuber, made a joke. I was like it's just too many meeting, meetings about meetings about Godzilla. I was like I can kind of see that it got yeah Like heavy.

Speaker 1 3:28:20

Yeah, I was. It was too much for me.

Speaker 4 3:28:24

It's just like the tone that they were kind of going for. It's just minus zero.

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Speaker 1 3:28:30

Did it right. Cyber says that you're ignoring him in the chat. We've got, okay, so we got two viewer to community questions. Just joking, yeah, no, that's what we're supposed to do. We got two viewer questions, so we've got. First one is what is the last three video games that you played that you thoroughly enjoyed and something that you might go back to? Last three, the last three that we've enjoyed, and it could go back to it's kind of hard because I play borderlands all the time.

Speaker 4 3:29:03

I played bass effect all the time those like the big ones that I keep going back and playing rather than play a new games. Probably one would be the metric prime series, because I don't play those that often.

Speaker 1 3:29:14

Well, well, well, it has to be like the last three that you've enjoyed, that you played, so, like, like recent stuff Remastered. Yeah, yeah, that's a good that was. That was one of mine, so I was trying to think that's one I could easily go back to.

Speaker 4 3:29:33

I mean, there's a game I would say I could say, but I'm not going to say go for it no it's okay, I'll explain why I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 1 3:29:41

Okay, all right, some wifey simulator.

Speaker 4 3:29:47

He's like, ah, kind of tiptoes A weird line I don't want to get. Okay, I was trying to think I mean I recently played Skyrim. I go back and play that periodically, every like every year, or something like that.

Speaker 1 3:30:00

So you play that, that new version of it, the legendary edition or whatever, where it's got like all the upgrades.

Speaker 4 3:30:07

I've gotten all of them for free on steam because I've owned the original version of it. So every time they release it I just get the new steam for free. So I haven't paid for like any upgrades we're played on PlayStation 5. I would have to pay for the upgrade, but yeah, I got them for free, which don't know why they did it. I was like dope, but I can download mods to my heart content, so it's kind of like irrelevant.

Speaker 1 3:30:28

Gotcha. Yeah, I still haven't played the newer. I'm not like in a hurry to check it out, or anything to just because it's.

Speaker 4 3:30:35

I'm trying to find games that I've actually played recently would be a agent empires to definitive edition and then the, the, the Metro games. There's not a whole that I played recently, that I replayed recently.

Speaker 1 3:30:47

You've been playing the Metro games.

Speaker 4 3:30:50

I replayed them recently for like the second time. Nice To try to get the bad ending and all three games, so that three times. So you're you're legitimately excited for Metro VR, then If I had VR, I'm excited for it, but I don't. I don't have the VR too, so I don't have a way to play it. It's getting VR and hoping they eventually get another, another Metro game down the road. Yeah, really good games.

Speaker 1 3:31:13

Yeah, and I feel like it could fit very well in VR too. The atmosphere of the games, the atmosphere.

Speaker 4 3:31:19

The horror element would be great with VR Cause it's definitely, while three not to the to the same degree as the first two, especially the first one, it had that. Oh yeah, the horror element was all the way through, and even the second one to the same degree, yeah. And the bad part is the game also is really stingy with ammo. So you have to get somewhat creative, especially in hard difficulties. And it's a game where if you kill other people you are penalized. Right Minimize how much you kill other people. You're going to get the bad ending.

Speaker 4 3:31:47

Yeah, no doubt the penalty system, cause the game doesn't tell you that. Yeah, just a consequence of playing through the game, or maybe it does. It's. It's been a hot second, but right, I always thought it was was a neat mechanic.

Speaker 1 3:32:00

Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 3:32:02

Think about like the choice. You can't just go down and just gun hundreds of people and they're being known Right Negative consequences. Yep, it's kind of getting that in this limited amount of people post apocalyptic.

Speaker 1 3:32:12

Yeah, I dig it, I dig it. Yeah, I think for me I mean mine are going to be like, like super generic. I don't know if there's really a generic answer, but for me, tears of the kingdom A I'm still playing it. B if I had beat the story, I would go back to it and work on other stuff in it that I haven't done, probably. I know that Metroid Prime remastered for sure, because I just love that game and I can play it anytime and it's obviously the definitive way to play now and what else. I definitely had to think about it. Yeah, I think what recently missing I mean here's maybe a silly one, but my daughter likes it and it's like it's easy to get in and out of but probably pick been one and two remaster.

Speaker 1 3:33:07

They're like fun games that you can like sort of jump in and out of and they've got like a. They've got really fun multiplayer too, so like it's one that like you could go back to anytime. And it's a recent game. I mean I got it, I don't know Five months ago it came out or something. I still haven't played Pikmin four yet, but yeah, those are cool, those are cool. So that's probably my choice there. And then we got one more viewer question what are the two games that you're looking forward to the most on Nintendo Switch and PlayStation five? That's tough.

Speaker 4 3:33:43

I know what I'm looking for most on Switch is Prime 4. I'm waiting for that forever, forever at this point. Yeah, the PS5 is a bit more difficult. I don't know.

Speaker 1 3:33:52

Well, I mean, we just talked about it, but I like for me.

Speaker 4 3:33:55

I got to refer. I don't know if there's one that I'm actually I'm excited to play, though I got to um.

Speaker 1 3:34:01

For me, let me think here.

Speaker 4 3:34:03

So the thing is, I don't know is is, does it have to be?

Speaker 1 3:34:05

exclusive. They didn't, they didn't say, but I mean, it sounds like it, yeah, like PS5.

Speaker 4 3:34:12

I don't know if it's exclusive, but the stellar blade is going to be one of them. Yeah, if there's anything else, though, that I really, I really care, like I'm rise of the running, for me on PS5 for sure, and then um. I don't care about the Final Fantasy seven remakes, so it's just as much as it probably should be. It's just not on my radar of games to play.

Speaker 1 3:34:34

I gotta say, man, I don't know. Um, there's a few cause I wanted to say like maybe Metro VR, but like there's, I think there's other, another game that I think I'm probably looking forward to more than that.

Speaker 4 3:34:49

Is a Pacifica drive, an exclusive for PlayStation.

Speaker 1 3:34:53

I don't know. That's a good question. That's one I'm really looking forward to. For sure, um, that might be one that I know of. Yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 4 3:35:02

I'll keep an eye out for the, for the rise of throne, and it looks good, but I'll I'm. I want to wait and see how it actually plays when it comes out.

Speaker 1 3:35:08

I'm dude, I'm pumped for that. I think it looks really cool. Um, yeah, that one, and then I, and the secret is just, I don't know, I guess Silent Hill I mean, even though I've got the backlash on it, I'm looking forward to at least checking it out and seeing if it's good, but that I guess that would bring my other specific drive.

Speaker 4 3:35:28

It'll be on PS five and PC. And what the from what's uh?

Speaker 1 3:35:30

that's a weird combo. No, no, xbox Interesting. Okay, I would have rather. Uh, I would have liked it to have been on Xbox. It's a little more powerful.

Speaker 4 3:35:41

So stellar blades published by Sony. So that's going to be an exclusive.

Speaker 1 3:35:44

Yes, I think it's going to be another big exclusives, I think rise of Ronin and stellar blade or their, their two next big ones, right now that we know of Rise of Ronin.

Speaker 4 3:35:54

It's currently only. It's a cornet detector. It's only planned for PS five. Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:35:58

I mean, it's a, it's a Sony game, right?

Speaker 4 3:36:00

Pretty sure it's just it didn't say. It just says it's currently only planned for PS five. Oh, okay, gotcha. Um, it's probably an exclusive, but I don't know if it's a Sony owned studio or not.

Speaker 1 3:36:10

Right, I guess, of how they boarded that switch, I gotta say, um, I'm looking forward to the Luigi's mansion to remit. There's actually a lot. So the peach game I'm really looking forward to the peach game because it is a 2D, it's a unique 2.5 D platformer that's not just a 2D platformer, it's got really unique elements. It reminds me of Kirby and that you get all these different power ups that you can use and do crazy things like um, draw across the screen to to move to an area and um, it's different. We haven't gotten a peach game since the DS and that peach game for the DS is in my top three DS games of all time.

Speaker 4 3:36:55

Super Princess, peach Princess.

Speaker 1 3:36:56

Peach Showtime yeah, dude, I think it looks really good. So probably those two. But I'm also looking forward to Mario vs Donkey Kong and um pay for Mario, the Thousand Year Door remasters. So there's a lot on Switch. I'm looking forward to this year. It's going to be a busy year because we're getting switched to. So that's once that comes out, and everything else is a shut down for a minute.

Speaker 4 3:37:21

So hopefully it's going to be. Do we have any news on those? I guess you're going to switch to.

Speaker 1 3:37:27

Um, I'll check real quick if there's been any update. There was definitely. I saw Nintendo Prime shout out to him on YouTube. He has done it seems like a video every single day on Switch to updates. Let me see real quick. It's kind of funny. We didn't talk about anything Switch to this.

Speaker 4 3:37:46

I guess the question is is it going to be backwards compatible Like use the same cartridge?

Speaker 1 3:37:51

It's got to be. So here's something we got Um EA boss on Switch to rumors. He says, um, new, oh, this is just kind of with them, New platforms are good for us. So essentially they're just trying to say, hey, we're going to put our games on the system this generation. Because I don't know if you remember but one, at the start of the switch, EA refused to release anything for the switch and we never got any of the sports games. And and uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Switch to. Specifically, we got, um, well, it looks like all the ones I'm pulling up seem to be about that. Uh, I don't say anything specifically new that that we haven't covered. Um, so, yeah, but those are, uh, those are our community questions for the week. So I think we'll go ahead and wrap up, but hey, man, it's been a good show. Good show this week Been a long one.

Speaker 1 3:38:49

Been a long one. It's been a while since we had a long podcast like this. So, uh, it went down that in a long time, but hey, it's, it's good every now and then. It was fun. So we appreciate everybody watching and listening and, uh, of course, we will be back again next week. Be sure to subscribe on YouTube and please give us a rating on Spotify and Apple podcasts. It helps us out a lot and it gets us pushed out and we really need to get those build up so we can push a podcast out more. Thanks again, everyone, and we will see you again next week. See you, Bye.